Link kindly supplied by our friend and frequent commenter Bob S.
Yahoo News reports on the terrible
BRUNSWICK, Ga. – Seven people were found slain and two critically injured Saturday at a mobile home park built on the grounds of a historic plantation in southeastern Georgia, police said.
Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering called it the worst mass slaying in his 25 years of police work in this coastal Georgia county. He wouldn't say how the victims died.
"This is a record for us. We've never had such an incident with so many victims," Doering told reporters. "It's not a scene that I would want anybody to see."
Do you find it odd that the Police Chief "wouldn't say how the victims died?" I certainly do. Imagine the horror if they hadn't been killed with bullets, but, let's say a knife or a metal pipe. That might be a good reason to be a bit hesitant to say how they died.
By going over to Bonnie's Blog of Blog, I was able to find the link to the local news which did confirm they were shot.
Police declined to say how the victims were killed or injured, but a county official close to investigation said today that they had been shot.
What is it with the police in this case? Are they just under orders to not release any information to the press? I couldn't help wondering if they're a little sensitive about the effect something like this will have on their state's reputation. Georgia is known to be one of the "easy gun law" states. Maybe the police feel it would be a shame for anyone to connect that with this.
What's your opinion? Is this just another one of the little incidents we must accept in order for the sacred gun rights to be preserved?
Please leave a comment.
I did a google news search on the story and every one of them reported it was a shooting.
ReplyDeleteAnd it is policy in my area for authorities to give out no specific information until given the OK from their superiors, which usually takes a few hours.
What is your actual point here?
MikeB,
ReplyDeleteYou focus on the shooting...nearly the first words you talk about.
Focusing on the tool.
Do you focus on the criminal? Nope.
You want to talk about the tool used to commit the crime.
Focusing on the tool.
Is this just another one of the little incidents we must accept in order for the sacred gun rights to be preserved
I could list thousands of incidents where fraud was committed. Aren't each and every one of those little incidents ones we much accept in order for the sacred right of free speech to be preserved?
I could list thousands of cases of mothers killing their kids. Aren't each and every one of those 'little incidents' ones we much accept in order for the sacred right of reproduction to be preserved?
and on and on and on. There are a many things we accept because the good outweighs the bad....and firearms are one of those.
Tell the mother who was gang banged and her son who was assaulted that she shouldn't be allowed a firearm because criminals commit crimes with them.
There is an ongoing investigation. Every communication with the press is a possible tainting of evidence so every LEA is very careful with how they distribute information about a crime.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry mikeb, no conspiracy going on, I would expect the same to happen in NJ or CA.
and on and on and on. There are a many things we accept because the good outweighs the bad....and firearms are one of those.
ReplyDeleteCar accidents anyone?
Imagine the incredible number of lives we could save if we raised the legal driving age, and "rationed" the number of miles a person could drive per month. (only allowing a certain percentage above what is considered necessary).
Hey, its silly, but if you are so concerned about unnecessary deaths, this would be the place to start.
And since this is looking like a murder suicide, how is it possible that nations with low gun ownership like Norway and Japan have much higher suicide rates?
Is there ANY chance at all in your mind that these deaths wouldn't have happened without a gun?
You guys are probably right, it's silly of me to suggest the cops were hesitant to mention it was a shooting for any other reason than the usual protocol in these situations.
ReplyDeleteAbout the suicides in Japan and Norway, Tom B, what does that have to do with America? You're comparing apples and oranges. But let me ask you this, if suddenly by magic Japan and Norway had as many guns as the U.S., do you think they'd have more suicides or less? The obvious answer is they'd have more, which would make for a fair comparison: Japan suicides with few guns compared to Japan suicides with lots of guns.
The problem is it's all hypothetical, which many of the pro-gun folks don't like. You guys like hard statistics. What I'm asking you to do requires a bit of reasoning, honest unbiased reasoning.
What I'm asking you to do requires a bit of reasoning, honest unbiased reasoning.
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Man, I thought your sense of humor was gone..good to see it isn't.
But let me ask you this, if suddenly by magic Japan and Norway had as many guns as the U.S., do you think they'd have more suicides or less? The obvious answer is they'd have more, which would make for a fair comparison: Japan suicides with few guns compared to Japan suicides with lots of guns.
ReplyDeleteI can't help but notice that you have a habit of making statements with no basis in fact. Study after study show people who want to commit suicide do it despite their access to guns. There isn't a shred of evidence that suicides would go up in Japan with greater access to guns.
If it were different, you would be able to show a statistical difference in households with and without guns in them, but none exists.
What is reasoning if there is no facts to reason with?
ReplyDeletePure unadulterated speculation. That is why we don't believe your "theories" or other off the cuff statements.
It looks like the local newspapers assumed it was a shooting based on the fact people were dead. From the fact that no one in the park heard anything (it takes a lot of shots to kill that many people) and the eyewitness reports surfacing, it appears the people were beaten to death. I was hoping it would be a drug orgy gone bad and, like most murders in the U.S., so it would be people no one would miss and the country would actually have been made a slightly better place. Unfortunately it looks like it was a family murdered, with children, and that usually happens from someone within.
ReplyDeleteIf Japan and Norway suddenly had as many guns as the U.S., I imagine the impact on suicide would be minimal and probably not statisically identifiable. Like I've said here before ... I've had the unfortunate pleasure of dealing with suicidal people. A person who really wants to do it will find a way and make sure it works -- they rarely fail. A person who is unsure (the majority) will generally find a way to stall or fail. A very few might be made more effective in their attempt by having a gun, but ... wherever they've passed a gun ban, the suicide rate hasn't changed (UK, Chicago, etc.) -- which means any difference was below the threshold to show up statistically.
Check for yourself.
Well, it looks like no firearm was used in this crime:
ReplyDelete"My whole family is dead!" screamed Guy Heinze Jr., 22. "It looks like they've been beaten to death. I don't know what to do, man."
Might explain why no firearm was mentioned in some of the press reports, huh?
So, when should we start looking for a retraction from you, mikeb302000?
Mr. Anonymous, Would you please provide a link that works. I'll gladly make the correction you requested, but so far the only mention of what "tool" was used is the one I quoted in the post.
ReplyDeleteBut, why would you demand a retraction like that, anyway. Is my saying shooting instead of bludgeoning somehow disparaging to guns? Don't you realize that the gun is an inanimate object and cannot be disparaged against?
For accuracy's sake I'll gladly make the change, but please explain why it offends you personally like it does. Is it because the gun is your favorite tool and you don't like people bad-mouthing IT?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MOBILE_HOME_SLAYINGS?SITE=VANOV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
ReplyDeleteYahoo News reports on the terrible shooting that took place in a Southern Georgia trailer park.
ReplyDeleteIf it wasn't a shooting, you should retract your statement, right?
Imagine the horror if they hadn't been killed with bullets, but, let's say a knife or a metal pipe
Yet you don't call for actions that will stop the crime, you focus on the firearm. It is almost as if you want MORE people killed with blunt instruments.
Gun control isn't crime control.
If you don't like the word "retraction" how about correction?
ReplyDeleteAre you going to correct the error in your post?
I'm perfectly willing to make a correction or retraction, but that link Mr. Anonymous provided goes to a story which is just like the first ones that came out. It doesn't say it's not a shooting. Has anyone seen a report that says what really happened to those poor people?
ReplyDeletePlease note TomB's first comment and also the link I put in the post. These indicate it was a shooting.
Took me 45 seconds to find this
ReplyDeleteMy dad's dead, my uncle's dead. There's like six. My whole family's dead!" Heinze said, struggling to describe the scene to a dispatcher after his neighbor called 911 and handed him the phone. "It looks like they've been beaten to death. I don't know what to do, man."
http://cbs3.com/topstories/mobile.home.killings.2.1153709.html
Guess if you never try to find the truth out, you never have to admit you were wrong, eh?
Lazy MikeB, lazy or worse.
Worse: Title was changed with link added then first line in the body:
ReplyDelete"Yahoo News reports on the terrible shooting that took place in a Southern Georgia trailer park."
They were shot with a blunt instrument. I wonder if a crime was committed when I bought that hammer at Home Depot when the clerk didn't ask to see my Mass LTC. God forbid I shoot somebody with that hammer!
Thanks, Weer'd, I cleaned that one up too.
ReplyDelete"Thanks, Weer'd, I cleaned that one up too."
ReplyDeleteDidn't read any further did you?
I think your intentions are pretty obvious, so why bother?
Thanks for sharing the link, but unfortunately it seems to be offline... Does anybody have a mirror or another source? Please reply to my post if you do!
ReplyDeleteI would appreciate if a staff member here at mikeb302000.blogspot.com could post it.
Thanks,
Jack
Thanks for sharing the link, but unfortunately it seems to be offline... Does anybody have a mirror or another source? Please answer to my message if you do!
ReplyDeleteI would appreciate if someone here at mikeb302000.blogspot.com could repost it.
Thanks,
Alex
Hi,
ReplyDeleteI have a question for the webmaster/admin here at mikeb302000.blogspot.com.
Can I use some of the information from this post above if I provide a backlink back to your website?
Thanks,
Alex