Wednesday, August 19, 2009
Guns at the Obama Rally
I don't know about anyone else, but I find it surprising to hear a black guy talking the same kind of talk usually associated with white gun owners. I'm sure some of the pro-gun guys will now tell us how many blacks are into guns just like they are. The same thing happens every time I try to say something about women and guns, they insist there are so many women arming themselves, that I'm all wrong. What do you think? Is this guy with the AR-15 representative in some way of black American men?
What about all that talk of revolution? Do you think it makes sense to compare the current situation in America with the 18th century relationship between the Colonies' and England?
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I can't speak for the racial angle on all of this gun stuff at these Presidential town hall meetings, so I will refrain. However, I will speak on the idea of revolution and having the guns at these meetings at all.
ReplyDeleteDespite what the media allows the GOP to say about what's going on with the political maneuvering and posturing in this country, we are nowhere near the tyranny and oppressive climate this nation faced right before, and was the cause of, the Revolutionary War. Do a lot of people believe otherwise? Yes, and that's the scary part. If you listen to what the media tells us, especially FOX, we are gonna have all of our rights circumvented and eventually denied in order for Obama to institute either a fascist, or totalitarian, or socialist, or communist, or anarcho-syndicalist, or Nazi-like society where no one will be able to do anything without government say-so, just so Mr. Obama can pay reparations to African-Americans. It's sickening how people are buying into this crap. It's not a lot, nor is it most people, but it is a sizable enough portion of the population that believes this stuff that this is what needs to be watched vigilantly so that it doesn't turn into a national bonfire and ends up burning this country.
As far as these people taking guns to these Presidential town hall meetings, yes, they have the right to wear their sidearms wherever they choose, and as a 2nd Amendment supporter I can choose to wear my gun wherever want also, but I have to apply some common sense to the equation at some point along the way as to where I should carry my gun. I would never wear a gun openly into a crowded situation where there are way too many unknown variables involved, like at these meetings. It's just not worth the risk. I was born and raised with guns and was instructed rigorously on how to handle them and on proper gun etiquette and procedure, so I don't say that as someone who is squeamish about guns. I just don't trust other people to be as trained and conscientious regarding my weapons. Do I think someone will actually make a grab for my gun? Probably not, but why take the chance? So, I have to question the intent and mentality of someone who openly wears his weapon(s) at a political rally, in a tight crowd where people's tensions can easily escalate and where someone, as a consequence, could possibly make a grab for one those conspicuous sidearms. If you want to make a statement about 2nd Amendment rights there are better ways to do it than to be this irresponsible with your weapons as these guys are. But I think there is more to this than just a matter of the right to bear arms, I mean, when you have many of these guys talking about revolution and carrying signs that say The Tree Of Liberty Needs To Be Watered, then I have to say I think what they are doing is simply putting Mr. Obama on notice. That's my take on it all.
Gee, a black man wishing to enjoy his constitutional rights just like his white counterparts?
ReplyDeleteTruly dispicable, right MikeB?
I don't know about anyone else, but I find it surprising to hear a black guy talking the same kind of talk usually associated with white gun owners.
ReplyDeleteI was surprised too. Looks like black people can be rednecks...who knew?
"I don't know about anyone else, but I find it surprising to hear a black guy talking the same kind of talk usually associated with white gun owners."
ReplyDeleteThat is because you usually just listen to antigun sources and news media that like to create stereotypes.
Point in fact is MSNBC's coverage that zoomed in far enough that you could not tell he was black then played the race card.
"If you listen to what the media tells us we are gonna have all of our rights circumvented and eventually denied."
ReplyDeleteYou mean like the media constantly told us under Bush?
Despite what the media allows the GOP to say
What the media ALLOWS the GOP to say? Right. Spoken like a true liberal & champion of free speech.
I think what they are doing is simply putting Mr. Obama on notice
Kinda the entire point of political protest is it not?
Ah, and here comes Phuckpolitics jumping in to insult a man who did nothing more than exercize his rights.
ReplyDeleteHe knows not a damn thing about him, yet labels him a redneck. Typical behavior of intolerant "progressive" bigots.
@Mike W - Ah, and here comes Phuckpolitics jumping in to insult a man who did nothing more than exercize his rights.
ReplyDeleteHe knows not a damn thing about him, yet labels him a redneck. Typical behavior of intolerant "progressive" bigots.
And here comes Mike W jumping in to insult a man who did nothing more than exercise his right of free speech.
He knows not a damn thing about him, yet labels him an intolerant progressive bigot. Typical behavior of a "cum swallowing" jerk-off.
Seen the latest headline, MikeB?
ReplyDelete"White House Backs Right to Arms Outside Obama Events"
"Armed men seen mixing with protesters outside recent events held by President Obama acted within the law, the White House said Tuesday, attempting to allay fears of a security threat.
Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, said people are entitled to carry weapons outside such events if local laws allow it. "There are laws that govern firearms that are done state or locally," he said. "Those laws don't change when the president comes to your state or locality."
full article here...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/18/AR2009081803416.html?hpid=topnews
Ya might want to call your buddies over at the Brady Campaign and try and cheer them up. I'm quite sure they're crapping bricks over this.
I'm a black guy and i'm as pro-gun as they come. So is my father and my grandfather.
ReplyDeleteThere are more of us out there than the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons of the world would like you to know.
The problem is the powers that be (media, liberal politicians, and various other expert idiots) can't benefit from the image of the armed, law-abiding, self-sufficient black man. That completely flies in the face of the images they wish to portray: That all pro-gun people are old white racists and that all black men are either shooting up their neighborhoods or dodging bullets, waiting for the Snuffy Pflegers of the world to swoop in with an arm full of gift cards to save us from the evil white racist gun lobby.
I posted a video on my blog( http://barackslies.blogspot.com/2009/08/msspinbcs-creative-video-editing.html ) of MSNBC cropping and looping a segment of video as if to avoid revealing that the armed man was a black man, all while talking about angry white racists with guns.
And this type of behavior is par for the course for the same MSNBC that gave Janeane Garofalo the airtime to say that black people who showed up at the Tea Parties have "Stockholm Syndrome".
AztecRed said, "I'm a black guy and i'm as pro-gun as they come."
ReplyDeleteThat's funny, I pictured you a middle-aged white guy with a beer-belly and a red-neck.
That's a joke although there is some truth to it. I don't think anyone is saying that NO blacks are legitimate gun owners and that ALL blacks are ghetto gangsters or that ALL gun owners are white red-necks. But isn't there some truth in all these stereotypes? Isn't there a small number of legitimate black gun owners and isn't there a disproportionately high number of so-called red-necks among the gun guys?
Zirgar, Thanks for your comment and the common sense you clearly possess, for a gun owner.
ReplyDeleteYou made me wonder how many like you there are. The extreme pro-gun guys often boast about how many gun owners there are but they refuse to admit that some of them, I say about 10%, are dangerous would-be criminals who shouldn't have guns in the first place. An even larger percentage must be like you, gun owners with common sense. That would leave this vociferous, passionate, never-give-an-inch crowd in the minority. There's nowhere near 50 million or 80 million of them.
"Isn't there a small number of legitimate black gun owners and isn't there a disproportionately high number of so-called red-necks among the gun guys?"
ReplyDeleteIn a place like Chicago or DC, that might be true, because you have a large population of black people and very restrictive gun laws.
But throughout the south where gun laws are still fairly relaxed and you have large populations of black people, they are just as likely to be legally armed as their white counterparts.
AztecRed said, "But throughout the south where gun laws are still fairly relaxed and you have large populations of black people, they are just as likely to be legally armed as their white counterparts."
ReplyDeleteSorry, but I find that hard to believe. I am willing to take your word on it, but I wonder if anyone else has an opinion.
Since gun control laws were first started to limit the access of firearms to black people, it wouldn't suprise me if a significantly lower percentage of black people own firearms. However, I have seen nothing to suggest it is one way or the other. Just stereotypes.
ReplyDeleteSays Phuckpolitics:
ReplyDeleteTypical behavior of a "cum swallowing" jerk-off.
Ah--a stellar example of Mikeb's "no personal attacks" commenting and moderation policy. Blatant double standards much, Mikeb?
Says Mikeb:
Zirgar, Thanks for your comment and the common sense you clearly possess, for a gun owner.
So the mere intersection of common sense and gun ownership strikes you as an anomaly, Mikeb?
Health issues have kept me offline for the last couple months, and reading this egregious shit is nearly enough to make me consider that a blessing.
You two are disgusting, despicable, and contemptible--and that's me trying my best to be polite.
To my great shame, Mikeb, I once thought of you as a decent, if badly misguided, guy--now I can only recoil in horror at the thought that you have reproduced at least three times.
To both of you: fuck you, and the diseased maggots you rode in on.
"Moderate" this comment if you want, Mikeb, and enjoy the taste of your hypocrisy.
If you have the tiniest shred of decency, you will at least return my contempt and disgust, rather than dishonoring me further with the stigma of even the most minute iota of your respect.
45superman, The occasional outburst like the one of PhuckPolitics you quoted, or this comment of yours get posted. I don't mind them really. What prompted me to write the Commenting policy and update it twice is the persistent personal attacking and name-calling I was receiving from guys like Weer'd Beard, Bob S., and sometimes Mike W.
ReplyDeleteI wrote "at my discretion," and that's how I decide.
About Zirgar, I think he's a gun owner with common sense and reason, and I said so. I feel like that about several others, Sebastian and Sevesteen, to name just two.
About our mutual respect for each other, I figure that can come and go, it can fluctuate as it wants. If it deteriorates too badly, we can stop communicating, that wouldn't kill anybody.
I hope it doesn't come to that.