Tuesday, October 27, 2009

Illegal Guns in Canada

YorkRegion.com reports on the illegal handguns that have been taken off the streets in their area of Canada.

The Uzi submachine gun can spew hundreds of rounds per minute. The Glock handgun, capable of firing up to 33 bullets from a single magazine. The tiny Beretta pistol with silencer delivers noiseless death.

These lethal weapons and others were recently and illegally in the hands of criminals. Wednesday, the seized weapons were neatly and safely displayed as part of a police services board presentation on illegal firearms and weapons in our neighbourhoods.

The cache represents some of the 68 hand guns seized in 2007, the 41 last year and the 56 to date this year.

As for illegal long guns, such as rifles and shotguns, police took 188 of them off York streets last year.

This year, the tally is 196.

There's nothing like a little sensationalism when talking about guns I always say. I like that "noiseless death." But the point is well taken, guns are being removed from the streets.

The Canadians feel it's popular culture that glamorizes guns, entertainers, rappers and the like. This combined with the lucrative business of gun running, makes for a serious problem.

A legal standard 9mm pistol sells for approximately $500.

On the street, the same unlicensed weapon fetches up to eight times the price.

Do you think they're exaggerating? If those numbers are true, it's no wonder there's a thriving gun smuggling underworld. And where do you suppose those guns are smuggled from?

Of the 3.65 million firearms produced in the United States in 2008, hundreds are smuggled into Canada each year.

Of the 253,000 handguns and more than two million rifles and shotguns legally registered in Ontario, 16,000 of the former and 70,000 of the latter are in York Region.

Instead of "hundreds," wouldn't you think it's more like thousands or tens of thousands. Why not just call it 90% and get it over with?

Here's a shocker:

Firearms kill more within the 15 to 24 demographic than cancer, drowning and falls combined.

What's your opinion? I can see that cancer might not kill too many in that age bracket, but I always thought falls and drownings did. Does this sound like a credible statistic to you?

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.

7 comments:

  1. "The Uzi submachine gun can spew hundreds of rounds per minute. The Glock handgun, capable of firing up to 33 bullets from a single magazine. The tiny Beretta pistol with silencer delivers noiseless death."

    Hmmm. The Uzi is made in Isreal, the Glock is Austrian and the Beretta is made in Italy.

    Yup, no doubt about it. Must be America's fault that Canada can't control their criminals.

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  2. "Of the 3.65 million firearms produced in the United States in 2008, hundreds are smuggled into Canada each year."

    "Why not just call it 90% and get it over with?"

    What you are saying is that 90% of the guns manufactured in the U.S. in 2008 were smuggled into Canada.

    This is why you have no credibility. You can't even lie correctly.

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  3. " This combined with the lucrative business of gun running, "

    And people like you keep that businesses lucrative, mikeb.

    "Firearms kill more within the 15 to 24 demographic than cancer, drowning and falls combined.
    What's your opinion? I can see that cancer might not kill too many in that age bracket, but I always thought falls and drownings did. Does this sound like a credible statistic to you?"

    Sounds credible to me. That's the age where criminals are in the prime of their career. Naturally, they are more likely to get shot than drown.

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  4. The whole 15-24 thing is a great demographic that I only ever see one place other than in firearms statistics. Search for 'average age of gang members', and you'll find, almost magically, that their demographics show that the majority of gang members are, you guessed it, between 15 and 24. So yes, death by firearms is believable.

    As for pricing, yes, it's easy to see an in-demand commodity shoot up in price. Or when any country has prohibited anything that was previously legal. Make selling firearms lucrative enough, and expect to see a dramatic increase in the number of lathes and mills being sold as home production ramps up. Don't think it's possible? Look up Khyber Pass where they've been replicating firearms with hand tools alone.

    As for your 90% statistic...even their data throws me...if there's in increase in registered firearms in an area, I doubt they're coming into the country illegally. Wouldn't smuggled guns NOT be registered? That's a very muddy section of the article, mixing legal, smuggled, and 'illegal' (which could be smuggled, stolen, or simply misused) all together.

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  5. Firearms kill more within the 15 to 24 demographic than cancer, drowning and falls combined.
    What's your opinion? I can see that cancer might not kill too many in that age bracket, but I always thought falls and drownings did. Does this sound like a credible statistic to you?


    It is factual, but absolutely meaningless. Looking at rates of firearm deaths, the prime age group is 15-24. Coincidentally, this is also the prime age group for perpetrators of violent crime. Another coincidence, the majority of gun murders are against other criminals.

    Good to see that you picked up that cancer isn't a leading cause of death among the 15-24 year old crowd. Deaths from falling are disproportionately targeted towards old people - something about bones aging and becoming brittle combined with a loss of balance and motor control. In fact, 65 year olds die from falls at a rate more than 5 times that of 15-24 year olds and 85 year olds die from falls at a rate nearly 100 times that of 15-24 year olds. The lowest death rate from falls is actually in children (under 14) mainly because their bones in many cases have not completely hardened and they are much more flexible. Plus their natural healing system is brand new so able to repair the damage much more quickly. So comparing all 15-24 year old deaths from firearms to falls is another false dichotomy.

    Drowning is different, but still a false dichotomy. Drowning is more a function of the person's ability to swim and his proximity to the water. The rates for all age groups are approximately equal.

    So the comparison is completely irrelevant. In two cases (cancer and falls) the vast majority of deaths occur in later ages, while for drowning it is not age dependent. This comparing to firearm deaths in the 15-24 age range which is primarily driven by criminal activity.

    Its basically like saying there are more cars stolen in the US than there are licensed drivers in Rhode Island. Technically correct, both involve vehicles (sort of), but absolutely meaningless.

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  6. The Uzi is made in Isreal, the Glock is Austrian and the Beretta is made in Italy

    Not necessarily: the Uzi is made under contract by FN Herstal and Lyttleton Engineering Works (under Vektor Arms) in South Africa. It's also made by Norinco in China and RH-Alan in Croatia and a few other manufacturers.

    Glock pistols are made in Smyrna, GA. You might know that if you've ever seen one.

    Not sure which Beretta is being described, but the M84 I use makes enough of a noise and would give a pop with a silencer, unless using subsonic rounds.

    Beretta has a facility in Accokeek, MD, but I think they mostly make the M9 (M92) pistol there.

    Tiahrt has reduced the value of firearms trace date, but a fair amount of illegal guns in Canada come from the US per RCMP.

    You could buy an Uzi receiver from this company
    http://www.impactguns.com/store/uzi_cons_rees.html

    The US does have legal machineguns which one can find on gunsamerica.com. All one needs is a willing purchaser in the States and it isn't too hard to get the firearm into Canada.

    It is rather a known fact that items can travel from less restrictive areas to more restrictive areas.

    And gun running is a rather lucrative business.

    So, we need to keep our ridiculous gun laws and help the merchants of death, like myself, sell guns to other countries such as Canada and Mexico.

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  7. Lol blame canada like him , we have a lot more murders , criminals and illegal guns in the us then what canada has even in percentage compared to their poulation.

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