Missing paperwork seems to be the main accusation, missing sales receipts.
That's a bit more serious than misspellings on the applications or failing to cross the "t" or dot the "i." That's what I keep hearing from the pro-gun crowd.
We've discussed them a few times, trying to follow the roller coaster ride. Here's the last time.
If I were a gun owner I swear I'd be the first one calling for their closure. How can legitimate gun owners expect to be respected as such when they support miscreants like these?
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Here are examples of more miscreants who are missing records vital for maintaining national security.
ReplyDeleteSorry, I don't consider not having your papers in order on the same level as real criminals.
ReplyDeleteExactly why I don't want the BATFEIEIO around anymore. They lose paperwork, and you get to go to jail if you can't prove yourself innocent.
ReplyDeleteIf I were a gun owner I swear I'd be the first one calling for their closure. How can legitimate gun owners expect to be respected as such when they support miscreants like these?
ReplyDeleteAh, yes--a gun store . . . selling guns. How e-e-e-v-i-l-l.
No, it's not just a gun store selling guns and it's not just paperwork not being in order. The implication is they sold those guns to folks who shouldn't have them. That's the whole point of the paperwork and background checks and the rest of it. Why do you, legitimate gun owners who continually try to say gun owners are good folks, generally speaking, want to protect this kind of activity?
ReplyDeleteIf a gun shop cannot produce one document or a few documents, fine. But some of these guys, knowing full well what the law says, are missing so much that it's a fair conclusion that they're dirty.
You guys are such big law-and-order types in other instances, why not now? The law says they have to have the proof of having sold the guns to qualified people, that means they have to have the proof. That's the law.
"But some of these guys, knowing full well what the law says, are missing so much that it's a fair conclusion that they're dirty."
ReplyDeleteWho says that's a fair conclusion? You?
I say, give them their day in court, let the ATF present their case, and we'll let a jury decide. Until then, it is nothing more than hot air. If it can be proven that they were purposefully violating the law and out to circumvent the law by permitting straw sales, then I'd agree with you--bust them and put them out of business.
Until that day, though, I will not say that because the BATFEIEIO said they're bad, that they must be bad. Like Jadefool, anything the ATF says must checked, verified, and rechecked for truth because it is not only likely to be wrong, but probably is a willful deception.
Jadefool's Biggest (Only?) Cheerleader:
ReplyDeleteYou guys are such big law-and-order types in other instances, why not now?
I know it irritates the hell out of you to be called on to acknowledge that there could be more than one kind of gun rights advocate (since we are, after all, individuals), but as I've told you before, I'm not a "big law-and-order type"--I'm a "big rights-and-liberties type," and the only laws for which I have any respect are those that are necessary for the protection of rights.
I am aware of no gun law that comes anywhere close to clearing that bar, so I have no compunction about cheering for anyone who breaks them (or allegedly breaks them, as in this case).
Zorro who is only interested in people's rights said, "I am aware of no gun law that comes anywhere close to clearing that bar."
ReplyDeleteHow about the sloppy workings of Bull's Eye gun shop and their connection with the 10 murders that happened during the D.C. sniper attacks. I think the dead ones and their families had the right to not get shot at random by a rifle that "disappeared" from a certain gun shop.
The requirement for gun shops to maintain paperwork, if it were enforced properly, would go a long way towards protecting people's rights.
But, you with your selective cherry-picking of what rights you're interested in, can't see that, can ya?
Jadefool's Biggest (Only?) Cheerleader:
ReplyDeleteHow about the sloppy workings of Bull's Eye gun shop and their connection with the 10 murders that happened during the D.C. sniper attacks. I think the dead ones and their families had the right to not get shot at random by a rifle that "disappeared" from a certain gun shop.
Those people's rights were violated by the shooters, who broke numerous laws in the course of those rights violations. The perpetrators were caught, and one has been executed, while the other one rots in prison. The law working as designed, in other words.
No "cherry picking" on my end.