Wednesday, January 4, 2012

Gunners Playing at Show and Tell:
Details of the Skyway Washington Mass Shooting

That Led to the Mt. Rainier Ranger's Death

Nothing says New Year's Eve celebration among one's fellow gun nuts like a little light shooting of one's fellow revelers.   Or do any of you want to try to claim these were not all 'pro-gunners', gun nuts, 2nd Amendment rights fanatics.....who happened to be irresponsible and dangerous?  Some of them ARE on the 'more guns' side of the issue, clearly.

Emphasis in bold type near the end of the article is my addition - DG.

From the NewsTribune.com

UPDATED: New details released in Skyway shooting

Post by Stacey Mulick / The News Tribune on Jan. 3, 2012 at 2:08 pm
UPDATED at 2:30 p.m.
King County sheriff’s investigators had been trying to get Benjamin C. Barnes to turn himself in in connection with a shooting in Skyway early Sunday that left four injured.
Instead, the 24-year-old Barnes went to Mount Rainier, where investigators believe he shot and killed law enforcement ranger Margaret Anderson. After a massive manhunt, Barnes was found dead Monday in Paradise Creek.
The investigation into the Skyway shooting and Anderson’s death were continuing today.
The King County Sheriff’s Office released more details about the Skyway shooting and Barnes connection to the incident.
According to a press release, nine people were hanging out inside a home in the 6200 block of South 117th Place on New Year’s Eve.
“During the evening, there was a ‘show and tell’ of guns and at midnight, at least two people fired multiple rounds into the air,” the press release states.
Nearly three hours later, one of the men at the party asked to see a gun that belonged to another person.
The man looked at the gun, then refused to give it back when asked, the press release states.
“A fight ensued and, at one point, at least two people pulled guns and a shootout ensued,” the press release states.
Four people were injured. Witnesses said Barnes was one of the gunman who fired. Barnes and two others left the house.
Detectives located the two others who’d left the house and were working with Barnes’ family members “to convince him to come to the police to tell his side of the story,” the press release states.
Detectives have not talked to the victims.
“It is unclear at this point who shot first and who was shot by whom,” the press release states.
Of the four shooting victims, two remain in critical condition. The other two are in stable condition.

23 comments:

  1. I don't really care what position Barnes took on guns. He was clearly a troubled person, and more should have been done to stop him. He had a record of violent acts. His views on politics, sociology, or gun rights are irrelevant.

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  2. “During the evening, there was a ‘show and tell’ of guns and at midnight, at least two people fired multiple rounds into the air,”

    What a bunch of retards. I'm sure if they didn't have guns they'd find some other moronic new years activity. Shooting fireworks at each other for instance. Maybe a monthly hair follicle test would've prevented this shooting.

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  3. Some of them ARE on the 'more guns' side of the issue

    I'd say most of them are from the previous comments.

    Dangerous people should not possess deadly weapons.

    What a bunch of retards

    Takes one to know one, MAgunner.

    they'd find some other moronic new years activity

    Quite possibly not one that involves lethal weapons which result in mass injuries and fatalities--e.g., the Philadelphia Mummers.

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  4. Takes one to know one? What are you, five years old? So, tell me how your weekly pube shaving gun control measure would've stopped this. Your co-blogger Pubes McGee can chime in too.

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  5. laci The Dog said... with, I'm sure some fruity butler accent
    "I'd say most of them are from the previous comments.

    Dangerous people should not possess deadly weapons.

    What a bunch of retards

    Takes one to know one, MAgunner.

    'they'd find some other moronic new years activity'

    Quite possibly not one that involves lethal weapons which result in mass injuries and fatalities--e.g., the Philadelphia Mummers."

    So, here we have two pro-rights posters condemning the actions of a gun owner and you have to make fun of them? Personally, I think dumb-asses shouldn't posses keyboards.

    Laci, you're a sad situation for a person with an alleged law degree. One would think that you could come up with something more compelling than name calling and pants wetting, but I guess not.

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  6. " He was clearly a troubled person, and more should have been done to stop him."

    Damn, now Greg Camp adds psychiatric assessment to his list of talents*! "He was clearly a troubled person"? No. He was a KKKrazzeepants individual who was able to get his hands on whatever it was he desired owning in the way of gunz. His views ARE irrelevant, now that he's dead. When he was still alive and right up until the moment he gunned down the gummint employee, his views were, re: teh gunz, pretty much the same as yours as near as we can know. He owned whatever he could afford* in his private collection of gunz--which was NOT an ARSENAL, 'cuz he couldn't BY DEFINITION have an arsenal**--. He carried them wherever the hell he wanted to carry them and, like you, he KNEW what, where, when and how to use them. Of course, now that he's dead and killed someone (with a couple of other folks lives completely fucked up by his shooting the ranger and, possibly, four other people) he was troubled person. And you're a hypocrite.

    MAholegunzloon:

    "Takes one to know one? What are you, five years old? So, tell me how your weekly pube shaving gun control measure would've stopped this. Your co-blogger Pubes McGee can chime in too."

    This is coming from the same guy who was chortling last week about my comment to Greg Camp re: "proving a negative". Cluelessness, thy name is MAssholegunzloon.

    someguy sez:

    "So, here we have two pro-rights posters condemning the actions of a gun owner and you have to make fun of them? Personally, I think dumb-asses shouldn't posses keyboards."

    As soon as that gunzowner DID exactly what they claim responsible gunzloonz never do. Until he publicly broke the law, they had no problem with him or others like him havin' all teh gunz he could get his handz on, cuz' he gotz to haz his RIGHTZ!!




    * Although this might set up some cognitive dissonance in Mr. Camp's mind as he HATEZ him some mental healthcare PROFESSIONALS.

    ** Assuming he didn't steal the firearms. Perhaps, like the shootist in the situation where the last cop to die in 2011 as the result of being shot in the head by some fucking moron, Mr. Camp will opine that the gunz used by the Seattle Shootist were stolen from the military.

    *** Thank you, Greg Camp, intertoobz etymologist extraordinaire, for your tireless work to maintain the purity of the english language.

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  7. "This is coming from the same guy who was chortling last week about my comment to Greg Camp re: "proving a negative". Cluelessness, thy name is MAssholegunzloon."
    ---

    Yeah, remember how you said it was impossible to prove a negative (not true BTW) then challenged Greg to prove a negative? That was awesome. Thanks for reminding me.

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  8. Demcommie,

    So I can't look at a person's behavior and see trouble? I'm not a psychiatrist, for which fact I'm grateful, but even mere mortals can see that something was very wrong with this man.

    But let's consider something else that you said. You're right in one sense, but wrong in another. I do believe that someone who has done nothing wrong has a right to firearms. That does not apply to Barnes. He had a record of violent acts and threats. Apparently, you and your fellow travellers here can't tell the difference between a criminal and a good citizen.

    As for my continuing efforts to guide you to correct usage of the English language, you're welcome.

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  9. "So I can't look at a person's behavior and see trouble? I'm not a psychiatrist, for which fact I'm grateful, but even mere mortals can see that something was very wrong with this man."

    Bullfuckingshit.

    Until the asshole shot up a house in Seattle and killed the ranger at Mount Ranier you would not have noticed anything wrong with him if you were havin' a gunswap with him. You are such a transparent liar.

    MAssholegunzloon sez:

    "Yeah, remember how you said it was impossible to prove a negative (not true BTW) then challenged Greg to prove a negative? That was awesome. Thanks for reminding me.

    January 5, 2012 2:29 PM"

    ignoring the fact that this comment:

    "My original comment to the Rennaisance Gunzman, Greg Camp, was intended as sarcasm. Apparently Greg Camp is not the only person who missed that."

    was made, later, in the same thread.

    Dumbfucksville, population MAssholegunzloon (but Greg Camp is welcome to move there).

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  10. Democommie,

    Actually, the only people that I've swapped guns with have looked a lot more like you than this tattooed punk. I've traded rifles at gun shows with some old guys who had something that I wanted more. Most of the time, though, I'm buying, not selling or trading.

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  11. Yup, whenever you guys make a dumb comment, it's always either sarcasm or an elaborate pubic hair-related ruse.

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  12. "Democommie,

    Actually, the only people that I've swapped guns with have looked a lot more like you than this tattooed punk."

    So, once again, Greg Camp, you demonstrate your superior powers of observation--or your utter lack of concern about where the weapons you purchase come from or where they go when you "swap" them. I'm tending towards accepting the latter premise.

    You could prove me wrong, very easily, by simply showing us where you performed background checks or even checked to see if the person you were "swapping" with had some I.D. Nah, that would infringe your RIGHT to be a gun totin' desperado.

    MAssholewittehgunz:

    Aw, him pouty.

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  13. Every time I sell a gun privately I have my state trooper friend illegally run a NICS check and also hire a PI to tail the buyer for a month before and after the sale. I also shave his body hair and send it to the crime lab for drug screening.

    It really cuts into my profit margin but it's the right thing to do. If it saves even one life it's worth it.

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  14. Democommie,

    No, I didn't ask for ID when I swapped guns at a gun show. I was trading with an old man whose wife was standing next to him keeping track of sales. There didn't appear to be anything wrong with the two, but perhaps they were both dangerous criminals. Perhaps they break into people's houses during the day--they were old enough to be retired, after all--and steal rifles. Perhaps they're really Bonnie and Clyde, selling off their guns. The thing of it is, a reasonable person wouldn't believe that about those two. Of course, reasonable doesn't describe you, now does it?

    I do have to ask, where was I supposed to perform this background check on them? Private citizens can't do a background check, unless you're talking about paying forty bucks or whatever to those on-line sites. In addition to a cell phone, do I need to carry a laptop with wifi? Or could it be that there are times when a handshake is still good enough?

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  15. So........ we have Greg who believes he can just look at people and KNOW everything about them that he needs to know?

    What hubris, and what stupidity.

    The same observations about the people Greg knew far too little about applied to the four old geezers in Georgia who were trying to put together a terrorist attack using Ricin.

    You continue to demonstrate at every tun why it is you are unsafe with your guns.

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  16. The thought of adults engaging in commerce without government intervention truly scares you people, doesn't it?

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  17. Dog Gone,

    Do you ever shop at a flea market? Do you question every person selling old television sets or stacks of DVDs? That's the kind of transaction happening at a gun show--licensed dealers who sell in volume and collectors and other private citizens who make trades and deals. You have such a jaundiced view of your fellow citizens. What you continue to demonstrate is how much you hate American freedom.

    I really do find you to be disturbing. If I make a trade or a deal with someone at a gun show, my presumption is that I'm talking to someone who is another good citizen. That's because most people are good citizens. You tell me that I'm paranoid and afraid, but what about you? Your comments here imply that you see most people as criminals.

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  18. GC writesDo you question every person selling old television sets or stacks of DVDs? That's the kind of transaction happening at a gun show--licensed dealers who sell in volume and collectors and other private citizens who make trades and deals.

    Do explain to me how you can possibly make this comparison.

    HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED LAST YEAR FROM OLD TELEVISION SETS, OR STACKS OF DVD'S SOLD ANYWHERE? HOW MANY OLD TELEVISION SETS OR STACKS OF DVDS WERE USED TO THREATEN SOMEONE IS A CRIME, OR SPECIFICALLY, USED TO KILL A POLICE OFFICER - JUST FOR COMPARISON?

    Lethal weapons are not screwdrivers.

    It is because of the lethal capacity inherent in a firearm that they merit and require a different standard.

    GC then writes You have such a jaundiced view of your fellow citizens. What you continue to demonstrate is how much you hate American freedom.

    NO. I have an objective view of the statistics of gun violence in this country. What I do not trust is that you believe no check is needed or that you can tell just by looking at someone they are safe.

    Clearly, a lot of guns get into the wrong hands PRECISELY because people LIKE YOU MAKE EXACTLY that kind of mistake.

    You have to carry a gun everywhere you go, including to use the bathroom. YOU are the person who is afraid.

    I wish to apply an objective assessment of who does and does not comply with the laws defining who is and who is not legally prohibited from buying a gun.

    You just hope they're not prohibited - but you DO NOTHING to act to keep guns away from them.

    If you are so trusting, why don't we let everyone have a gun? Even the felons, the drug users, the dangerously mentally ill?

    Why not just trust all of them to be good people?

    It's not like you are using even the most minimal effort to figure out who they are anyway.

    You sir, are dangerous, stupid, and personify everything that is wrong with your side of this issue.

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  19. Gee, Greg......I'm sure the clerk who sold the gun to Jared Loughner before he shot all those people a year ago this Sunday also believed that we should just trust that everyone in the whole damn world is good and safe and dance around under the stars floating down on us from farting flying rainbow unicorns.

    Becasue of course ya gotta have your gunz to shoot all those goblins you wish to deny are human beings.

    But you wouldn't lift a damn finger to keep a firearm out of the hands of someone prohibited by law from having one.

    With that attitude you cannot expect the slightest credibility to claiming you value life.

    YOU are the problem.

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  20. Mah Gummer writes MAgunowner said...

    The thought of adults engaging in commerce without government intervention truly scares you people, doesn't it?


    No.

    You stupidly and ignorantly selling firearms to criminals does concern me however as a part of the larger significant group of gun violent criminals, drug users, and dangerously crazy people.

    Weapons, especially dangerous, lethal weapons are not the same thing as other commercial items. It is why we don't let those good people have nukes or nerve gas.

    But I'm sure you're perfectly happy with Iran and Pakistan and North Korea having nukes, right? They're just more of those fundamentally good people God put on this earth that we should trust. No need to worry your little pointy head about them; just trust everybody and let them all do whatever they want without concern for the consequences. And if those indicator4s are that they are dangerous, just tell yourself how good people are and don't think about it.

    It might be just fine. And if it isn't you won't own the blame for not checking or regulating. It will be something you write off as unavoidable.

    The only other aspects of commercial transactions that concern me are things like the re-establishment of Glass Steagall, the prosecution of those banksters who committed fraud, andthe existence of dangerous impurities in commercial products like those which come from China.

    That would be because even the most cursory nodding acquaintance with history would demonstrate these areas have been and continue to be problems.

    But don't tell Greg; he wants to believe that nothing bad ever happens and no one will do anything bad.........except when he is just itching to blow someone away.

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  21. Dog Gone,

    Actually, I'm in favor of regulation of corporations and large businesses. What MAgunowner and I are both talking about are private transactions between individuals. You know, freedom?

    How can I compare televisons to firearms? Televisions get stolen too. You were making a point about how the gun that I buy at a gun show may have been stolen, or so it seemed. As I've said before, I don't often sell a gun. I collect; I don't do much trading. Now, if you want to claim that an elderly couple that traded one rifle for another is a great danger to society, then you're crazier than I've believed you to be.

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