Monday, December 30, 2013

New York SAFE Act First Year Results

Nearly a year after passage of the state's new gun law, dealer sales of popular AR-15 semi-automatic rifles have ended in New York and arrest data show more than 1,000 gun possession charges in New York City were boosted from misdemeanors to felonies because of the changes.
Meanwhile, 59 people have been charged statewide with misdemeanors for possessing large-capacity magazines or having more than seven bullets loaded in a magazine, both outlawed by the law passed last January in the aftermath of the school massacre in Newtown, Conn.
A report from the Division of Criminal Justice Services shows only one person charged with the illegal sale or transfer of a gun defined as an assault weapon as of mid-December. The new law tightened that definition to include AR-15s. Owners may keep their older weapons but must register them by April 15.
"The numbers are indisputable. The SAFE Act has enabled the state to better protect New Yorkers," said Melissa DeRosa, spokeswoman for Gov. Andrew Cuomo. He pushed the legislation shortly after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School that left 20 first-graders and six educators dead. Police said the 20-year-old gunman used a semi-automatic rifle and 30-round magazines.

43 comments:

  1. Such lies. The unSAFE Act is violating the rights of the residents of New York. But that state was already deeply enslaved. All I can say is Tiocfaidh ar la.

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    1. What rights are being violated?

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    2. Greg, don't you mean that these laws have made criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens. You and TS love that nonsense.

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    3. Mikeb, that's another way of saying the same thing.

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    4. "The numbers are indisputable. The SAFE Act has enabled the state to better protect New Yorkers," said Melissa DeRosa, spokeswoman for Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

      Well, the numbers that she is presumably talking about is in the title of the article- over 1000 new felonies. To her, that equals "safe", not actual crime statistics or murder rates, but locking people up who would have otherwise remained free.

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    5. You know what it really is, almost all of those 100 "new felonies" were laid on criminals - not otherwise law-abiding gun owners. The result is that bad guys spend more time in jail for these crimes. Everybody wins. But that's not good enough for you, so you twist it into some kind of bizarre persecution of good-guy gun owners.

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    6. They were all possession laws that used to be misdemeanors, so not some violent act or being a felon in possession. But would you rather talk about the 59 people who were arrested for magazine possession, or unlawful loading of a legal magazine? What of them?

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    7. No response from the site liar, because there are no rights being violated. Just another lie.

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    8. TS, I already did comment on those felonies. Almost all of them were bad guys who will now go to jail and lose their gun rights. Everybody wins. You're still trying to twist it into a persecution of "good citizens." That's bullshit.

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    9. Mikeb, I see no reason to criminalize something that good citizens are doing in order to add some time to the sentences of bad guys. That's the lazy person's way of dealing with criminals.

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    10. "Good citizens" are breaking the law all over the country.

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    11. Greg, you're an extremist gun-rights fanatic, the fact that you see no reason for gun control laws means nothing.

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    12. Whatever happened to you saying you don't support jail time for non-violent crimes? Now you are saying they are "bad guys" who belong in jail.

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    13. That's what most of them were. They were caught holding people up or mugging people or they were caught drunk driving or doing some other bad-guy shit and happened to have the wrong weapon or magazine on them.
      What do you think, they're all law-abiding gun owners who broke no law except this immoral one?

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    14. "Most"? So there are some where weren't committing violent crimes? What of them? And why do we need a magazine charge thrown at the muggers when we can just charge them for the crime of mugging?

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    15. Why don't you just tell us who these people are then? You don't like my take on it, so what's the real story?

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    16. I'm supposed to make stuff up like you do? No thanks. The real story is that they were being charged with malum prohibitum crimes that should be legal and protected. If they were also doing something illegal that hurts someone, than that and that alone should be the charge.

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    17. Like it or not, it's the law of the land. Honest and lawful gun owners obey the law.

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  2. "At gun rallies this year outside the Capitol in Albany, several protesters vowed not to register their guns, calling it a violation of their Second Amendment rights. King suggested police weren't revealing the number of registrations because there have been so few."

    Eventually they'll have to come out with the numbers, but it is telling that there seems to be some general disregard for the law.

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    1. Yeah, and when confronted these non-conformers will fight to the death for their precious rights. Either that or they'll act like the law-abiding citizens they claim to be and get with the program.

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    2. Guys like you and the site liar promote illegality

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    3. Mikeb, do you mean the way former slaves were supposed to get with the program of Jim Crow?

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    4. Comparing 21st century gun control laws to the 19th century laws concerning slavery is the epitome of dishonest argument. Typical of you, Greg.

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    5. Jim Crow lasted into the 1960s, and both are examples of violations of rights. So again, do you think that blacks in the south should have got with the program instead of standing up?

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    6. Yes, they like to try and compare decades old situations to today. Just shows the lies they spew have no relation at all in today's America.

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    7. I seem to recall someone recently commenting on how well gun control laws worked in Tombstone in the 1800's and how well it worked controlling gangland violence in the 1920's in Chicago.
      Mentioning oppressive gun laws passed by southern Democrats in the 1960's is somehow less germane how?

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    8. Every violation of rights is the same, regardless of when or where it happens. It's the work of evil people in power taking away the choice of individuals.

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    9. It did work well, but scum liars like you had to change the subject, of course.

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    10. Every violation or rights, except the ones you agree with. With 20-20 hindsight you're all in agreement with the removal of slave-owners' rights to own other human beings, right Greg? But, when the country comes to its senses and grows up enough to enact and enforce serious gun control, you'll simply call that a violation of rights and exempt yourself from going along. Is that about it?

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    11. There never was a right to own slaves. There was a law that permitted such a thing, but it was always wrong. Why do we have to keep arguing about this?

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    12. Since you are the sites lying criminal coward and lying about this issue, yes we have to keep pointing out your lies.

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    13. Anonymous, clarify some things for me: Do you believe that slavery was once a right? Do you believe that slavery was morally correct at one point?

      My position is that slavery was always wrong, regardless of what the law said.

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    14. Again you expect answers from me, but you refuse to answer my question. Tkae your cowardly lying games to your students, it won't work here. But by all means keep trying, it makes me look good.

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    15. Greg, in my opinion, permissive gun rights, the ones you like, are wrong. But since they are the law of the land, they do constitute rights. That will change, just like the rights of slave owners changed. Right or wrong is a different discussion. The law determines what rights exist, and that evolves and changes.

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    16. You have a false view of rights. The law defines behavior that society will accept, but often, the law is morally wrong. However, we are born with our rights.

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    17. God gave us our rights, not the Constitution.
      HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
      No wonder your students are the dumbest in the nation.

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    18. Mocking religious people will do so much for your cause, Anonymous. Keep up the failure. But notice that I said nothing about God?

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    19. Where did I mock religious people?
      Another lie from the lying criminal coward.
      I mock the stupidity of you, who thinks God wrote the Constitution.

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    20. Greg, you believe you were born with the right to own a 30-round magazine or with the right to carry a gun? Many people disagree with that and it'll be up the the courts to determine who's right.

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  3. Here is some more information about how well the SAFE act is being received by it's citizens. If only 10% of the citizens submit to registration of their firearms, doesn't this belie the mythically high percentage of gun owners in favor "reasonable" gun laws? Or does this low level of compliance suggest that perhaps the citizens don't really consider the law to be very reasonable?

    "Nojay said estimates of the military-style rifles in private ownership in New York range from hundreds of thousands, according to the State Police, to up to 1 million. He predicted compliance with registration would be in the 10 percent range, limited to holders of federal firearms licenses, firearms instructors, or other high profile gun owners. He said the SAFE Act provisions on registration will be ignored the same way the 55 mph Interstate speed limit and Prohibition was ignored by New Yorkers in years past."

    “An early figure that circulated on the Internet in June put the registration tally at less than 400. At a recent gathering of current and retired state police officers, the figure of 2,800 was given ... Given the fact we are in the eighth month of possible registration the compliance rate is clearly pitifully low."
    http://www.troyrecord.com/general-news/20131231/low-enforcement-of-controversial-safe-act-section-expected

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    1. Well, one way to look at that is to say you lawful gun owners aren't really that lawful. I'd bet that eventually about half will register their weapons. You know how much I like that 50% figure. That's just about where the line is drawn between the truly law-abiding and those who will try to get away with what they can. And the 50% who don't register are the same guys who take every other shortcut they can.

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    2. Mikeb, a lot of people are sheep. For that reason, I'm suspicious of them.

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    3. By sheep you must mean law abiding citizens, because you have told us you are not a law abiding citizen.

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