Wasn't going to go into the whole thing. In a short summary, there's questionable deals being done that look like something rotten on the government side.
I've not taken the time to look into all of it, but my impression is that as a matter of law as it stands today, the Government is in the right on the fee issue--seizure I'm not so sure of without more looking into it. However, this is complicated by unequal treatment and issues of whether or not it's appropriate to cede so much legislative authority to an executive branch agency.
Also, Feds didn't cover themselves with glory what with all the tasing, dogs, gun pointing, and especially free speech zones--a concept abhorrent to liberty I first heard of at Republican and Democratic conventions.
But, not having taken the time to look into it, you figure there's "something rotten on the government side." Of course. That's what you guys always think. The government is the enemy.
My comment about something rotten on the Government side was related to some of the revelations about land deals within the protected area for solar plants, etc. and the redrawing of the protected area so that the grazing lands of a Harry Reid donor were no longer in the zone, and therefore no longer subject to the prohibitively high extra fee that was the reason Bundy first stopped paying. If these allegations prove true, it would seem there's something rotten.
As for the statement about not having looked into everything, that preceded a statement that it seemed that the law, as it stands today, is against Bundy. That is, I haven't read the court decisions, briefs, and relevant laws and regulations. I have a general impression that his case doesn't have much of a leg to stand on, but I don't know for sure.
But sure, conflate two statements on two aspects of the case and make it look like I'm just always against the government no matter what. That's a wonderful way to try to answer what I said...
I was away from home all day yesterday until now, genius. Hope you enjoyed your laugh at your little non-victory.
Not that I have any obligation to answer you, but my ideology lies more in the small government, libertarian part of the spectrum. As for my voting, I determine that on a case by case basis--I've voted Republican, Democrat, and Independent in various elections as I saw fit, based on the characters and positions of the various candidates. I don't have any fixed party affiliation--I find both major parties to have far too many authoritarian tendencies in their platforms.
Simon, in your first comment you made that remark about the government but DID NOT make the other one about Bundy. So, you can't accuse me of unfairly characterizing what you said. I'm not a mind reader.
Actually, Anon, I hadn't. I posted a bunch of comments in one go before leaving. Mike made a comment review and approval in the middle, so the first half posted. The others would have posted during his next pass whenever that was.
Funny how your're so attached to your little non-victory of me not answering, even after I've answered, that you will try to make things up to try to salvage it.
I'm not accusing you of failing to read my mind. I'm accusing you of not reading my earlier comment carefully enough and of interpreting the dependent clause in light of the preceding paragraph rather than the following independent clause it was attached to.
Question for Laci, why didn't the government just carpet bomb these thousand people with A-10 Warthogs? Why did they back down to a crowd with measly AR-15s? Perhaps using heavy military action on its own citizens would have very bad consequences?
Situation's a bit too big and complex to be handled with a little smarmy photo.
ReplyDeletePlease, please don't prove it to us with on of your prolix diatribes.
DeleteThere's nothing "smarmy" about a concise distillation of the situation, which is what I've provided here.
Wasn't going to go into the whole thing. In a short summary, there's questionable deals being done that look like something rotten on the government side.
DeleteI've not taken the time to look into all of it, but my impression is that as a matter of law as it stands today, the Government is in the right on the fee issue--seizure I'm not so sure of without more looking into it.
However, this is complicated by unequal treatment and issues of whether or not it's appropriate to cede so much legislative authority to an executive branch agency.
Also, Feds didn't cover themselves with glory what with all the tasing, dogs, gun pointing, and especially free speech zones--a concept abhorrent to liberty I first heard of at Republican and Democratic conventions.
But, not having taken the time to look into it, you figure there's "something rotten on the government side." Of course. That's what you guys always think. The government is the enemy.
DeleteSimon,
DeleteWhat political ideology (party) do you support and vote for?
Whereas to the gun control advocate, the people are the enemy.
DeleteDidn't think you would answer that Simon. HA HA HA HA
DeleteMike,
DeleteMy comment about something rotten on the Government side was related to some of the revelations about land deals within the protected area for solar plants, etc. and the redrawing of the protected area so that the grazing lands of a Harry Reid donor were no longer in the zone, and therefore no longer subject to the prohibitively high extra fee that was the reason Bundy first stopped paying. If these allegations prove true, it would seem there's something rotten.
As for the statement about not having looked into everything, that preceded a statement that it seemed that the law, as it stands today, is against Bundy. That is, I haven't read the court decisions, briefs, and relevant laws and regulations. I have a general impression that his case doesn't have much of a leg to stand on, but I don't know for sure.
But sure, conflate two statements on two aspects of the case and make it look like I'm just always against the government no matter what. That's a wonderful way to try to answer what I said...
Anonymous,
DeleteI was away from home all day yesterday until now, genius. Hope you enjoyed your laugh at your little non-victory.
Not that I have any obligation to answer you, but my ideology lies more in the small government, libertarian part of the spectrum. As for my voting, I determine that on a case by case basis--I've voted Republican, Democrat, and Independent in various elections as I saw fit, based on the characters and positions of the various candidates. I don't have any fixed party affiliation--I find both major parties to have far too many authoritarian tendencies in their platforms.
Simon, in your first comment you made that remark about the government but DID NOT make the other one about Bundy. So, you can't accuse me of unfairly characterizing what you said. I'm not a mind reader.
DeleteGee that's funny, you had made multiple other comments on this site during that time.
DeleteActually, Anon, I hadn't. I posted a bunch of comments in one go before leaving. Mike made a comment review and approval in the middle, so the first half posted. The others would have posted during his next pass whenever that was.
DeleteFunny how your're so attached to your little non-victory of me not answering, even after I've answered, that you will try to make things up to try to salvage it.
Sad, sad little man.
Mike,
DeleteI'm not accusing you of failing to read my mind. I'm accusing you of not reading my earlier comment carefully enough and of interpreting the dependent clause in light of the preceding paragraph rather than the following independent clause it was attached to.
Question for Laci, why didn't the government just carpet bomb these thousand people with A-10 Warthogs? Why did they back down to a crowd with measly AR-15s? Perhaps using heavy military action on its own citizens would have very bad consequences?
ReplyDeleteSome people can't accept defeat even more than 160 years later. The only thing missing is the rebel flag.
ReplyDelete