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This should have never happened if the right thing would have been done first time this fuck wad tebow did this kinda shit in the NFL. What he did was no different than any other type of display after points are scored. I'm sooooo tired of these religious nutters who display in public. There needs to be a law against mind fucking children with pure bullshit.They didn't get me and they tried as hard as they could.http://oakcreekforum.blogspot.com/2009/10/poor-babies.html
A law against public religious display? Well, thanks for showing your open disdain for the First Amendment.
How dumb are you?? It's not about religion. It's about celebrating after scoring.
You didn't demand a rule that would ban religious display as a form of excessive or inappropriate celebration.Instead, you complained about public displays of religion and then demanded a LAW against public displays, or whatever you meant by "mind fucking children".
Thanks One Fly for your link. I didn't come out of my 12 years of Catholic school with as much animosity as you, but they didn't get me either.As far as the football players expressing religious behavior during the games, I think Laci has a good point, if one thing is allowed then the other should too. Boxers often cross themselves before entering the ring, same thing. I think if we don't like it we should just ignore it, but for sure if you react strongly to the Muslim doing his thing and have no problem with the Christian, you are a hypocrite.
. . . but for sure if you react strongly to the Muslim doing his thing and have no problem with the Christian, you are a hypocrite.No argument here, but who has been doing that?
Good for you Mike! Of course Laci is correct as you are. I'm just saying and it's not difficult to understand - - - - that the tebow/muslim thing or what ever type of nonsense one thinks is for real when practiced after a score is no different than what flags are thrown for after a score. It may be in a different form but it's inappropriate and to get an out on it because there is a non-existant finger snapper supposedly involved is bull shit. Fuck the religious crazy's every one of them. And the shooting of innocents continues and so does this praying crap but it only gets worse.I need to put a disclaimer on the religion post because the catholic school I was in was NOT an indictment of all of them. It just happened to do a number on me that changed my course in life.
"The National Football League admitted on Tuesday that Kansas City Chiefs safety Husain Abdullah should not have been penalized for sliding on his knees and bowing in prayer after scoring a touchdown.""The officiating mechanic in this situation is not to flag a player who goes to the ground as part of religious expression, and as a result, there should have been no penalty on the play," he added."http://news.yahoo.com/nfl-admits-mistake-penalizing-player-post-touchdown-prayer-155830474--nfl.html;_ylt=AwrBJR8mECxUQkEA.xXQtDMDProblem solved.
Hmm, according to the article, his Coach told him the penalty was for the sliding before the prayer.And, apparently what was considered outrageous was the penalty with tons of people coming to his defense, including Tebow supporters.So, we have another dishonest meme by Laci, and he even provided the link showing what hyperventilating bullshit his meme is.
It seems that a mountain is being made of a molehill here. The NFL has admitted that penalizing Abdullah was inappropriate--a pretty strong indicator that he can now do that after every touchdown, without being penalized again.My guess is that the official who threw the flag was unaware that Abdullah's actions had anything to do with his religious faith.So let's chill out with the "Religious intolerance!" shrieks, shall we?
What was the official who threw the flag objecting to?
What was the official who threw the flag objecting to?As I said, my guess is that the official didn't recognize Abdullah's moves as prayer. After all, even if the official is quite familiar with Islamic prayer rituals (which doesn't seem likely--should such familiarity be required for officials now?), is there any sect of Islam in which it's customary to get into position by sliding several meters along the ground on one's knees?By the way, if you listen to Abdullah in that video, he hardly seems to feel "oppressed"--blames himself for getting "a little too excited," and thinks the slide was the problem.By the way, do we know who the flag-throwing official is, and whether or not he ever officiated a game in which Tebow threw a touchdown pass (or scored a touchdown himself)? If not, thus leaving unanswered the question of would he not have done the same thing in reaction to Tebow's ostentatious displays of religious faith, how can we call his penalty call "hypocrisy," even if the penalty was for the display of religious faith (a possibility I still find extremely unlikely)?
Kurt, you're saying that the referee didn't even recognize the placing of the forehead on the ground while in the kneeling position as anything to do with Islam? And you're also saying that what he really objected to was the player sliding on his knees?You're doing it again, Kurt.
Kurt, you're saying that the referee didn't even recognize the placing of the forehead on the ground while in the kneeling position as anything to do with Islam?I'm saying that my guess is that the official didn't recognize that funky slide move as a precursor to saying, "Thanks for the touchdown, Allah."And you're also saying that what he really objected to was the player sliding on his knees?No, I'm saying that Abdullah himself--the poor, persecuted Muslim, to paraphrase you when gun rights object to a gun owner being wrongly imprisoned (we'd likely be a good deal more sanguine if the gun owner was simply required to move back 45 feet)--was under the impression that the slide is what drew the flag. You are of course welcome to disagree with that assessment, but why don't you complain to him about it, rather than to me?You're doing it again, Kurt.Stating truths you can't refute? Yeah--I guess I am.
Mike,Laci's own Link said that the slide drew the penalty. Why must you reflexively go after Kurt on that? Especially when the the NFL has said that they shouldn't have penalized the slide, and nobody here is defending a double standard. Instead, we have live and let live from everyone but One Fly who wants Nobody allowed to do it.
You are dumb as a box of rocks ano. Never said anything like that. Let's try again for the last time dummy - it's about celebrating after a score that they throw flags. What these two chumps do/have done is equal and if one dumb fuck gets to do it well then the other gets to as well. That is fairly simple logic. What these religiously insane simpletons do/have done after they score is a celebration and should be flagged. Because it involves religion that somehow religiously insane crazy fucks get a pass is bullshit. Got it??? Hell no you're a dumb fuck.It's my opinion on the matter and what the fuck you whining about anyway you dumb ass. The mind fucked religion segment of this country get pretty much whatever they want damn near all the time.So kiss it where the sun don't shine!
Poor one fly. So angry. What's the big deal? That I said everyone else wants to allow both guys to do their thing and you don't want to allow either?Isn't that what you just said? You think that BOTH should be classified as excessive celebration?And the point I was making--Nobody is calling for a double standard based on religion, so this is much ado about nothing.As for the rest of your post, you might want to calm down a bit if you don't want to sound like a crazy homeless guy swearing at street preachers.
I'm with Bud Grant. He used to penalize his players for any "celebrations" on the field.