Dr. Walter Palmer (left)
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A dentist from Minnesota is accused of paying $55,000 to hunt down and kill a famed lion in Zimbabwe.
“Cecil the Lion” was killed in early July, authorities said. A spokesman for the dentist, Dr. Walter Palmer, told The Guardian that Palmer, 55, may have shot the lion.
“What he’ll tell you is that he had the proper legal permits and he had hired several professional guides, so he’s not denying that he may be the person who shot this lion. He is a big-game hunter; he hunts the world over,” Palmer’s spokesman told The Guardian in a statement.
A professional hunter and the land owner where the lion was killed have already been criminally charged. Police said they are looking for Palmer.
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What no "irresponsible bow owners" tag?
ReplyDeletehunting is sick
ReplyDeleteUm, just curious--you are aware of how lions get their food, right? You don't think they pluck antelope steaks from trees, do you?
There sure as hell don't use guns. These "white" hunters are not killing for food. They kill for fun, the same reason they kill humans.
DeleteThere [They?] sure as hell don't use guns.
DeleteNeither did Dr. Palmer, apparently. And besides, I was responding to Mikeb's ridiculous "hunting is sick" mantra. You may have noticed that he does not say "hunting with guns is sick." He offers no exemption for those who hunt with bow and arrow, or, for that matter, with teeth and claws.
These "white" hunters are not killing for food.
I think you can safely leave the quotation marks off--the hunter and guide both appear to be white in fact, rather than figuratively.
They kill for fun . . .
Again, when I pointed out to Mikeb that lions hunt, too, it was in response to his mantra. You might notice that Mikeb does not say that "trophy hunting is sick"--he offers no exemption for those who hunt for food.
. . . the same reason they kill humans.
I must have missed that. What humans are Dr. Palmer and his guide accused of killing?
Animals kill for fun too. Especially cats.
Deletewhat a piece of shit this guy is plus he's lying like a rug like they all do.
ReplyDeleteYou would never bait an animal, kill it, and then pose for a picture with its dead carcass, would you?
DeleteI see what you did there, TS. Well done.
DeleteDamn TS - I don't see how One Fly ever shows his face around here again.
DeleteMaybe I'm a bit slow today, but I don't get it. What did TS do that was "well done?"
DeleteOne Fly's avatar picture is him holding a fish that he had just baited, killed, and posed for a picture with.
DeleteFly fishing!
DeleteWhat did TS do that was "well done?"
DeleteTake a closer look at One Fly's profile pic.
Take a look at One Fly's avatar picture, Mike.
DeleteThat is pretty funny. Has One Fly responded?
DeleteI was watching a Fox News discussion about the dentist this morning and Hannity was grilling one of the guests for being a meat eater while criticizing hunting. As you know, I'm a vegetarian, but I think people who eat meat could still oppose hunting, especially trophy hunting.
. . . I think people who eat meat could still oppose hunting . . .
DeletePeople can oppose whatever they want, but if they buy meat, they subsidize the killing of animals for food. They, in other words, have paid someone to do their killing for them. If they do so, while at the same time condemning those who do their own meat killing, they're hypocrites.
You've acknowledged that in the past:
About buying meat in the supermarket, you're right that is as sick as hunting, even worse in some cases.
Yeah, you're right.
DeleteHe didn't use a gun to kill the fish. Where's the comparison?
DeleteHe didn't use a gun to kill the fish. Where's the comparison?
DeleteYo--genius. Dr. Palmer didn't use a gun to kill the lion, either.
Yo genius, the Dr. broke every law on the books to get his kill, which I'm sure you agree with.
DeleteToday's news-the doctor is photographed with a dead bear, a bear he killed illegally. No doubt you gun loon supporters of breaking the law, agree with.
DeleteYo genius, the Dr. broke every law on the books to get his kill . . .
DeleteHmm--I hadn't heard that. Hadn't heard that he has yet been convicted of anything, thus losing his right to the presumption of innocence. Also hadn't heard that he had even been accused of breaking "every law on the books." So he has been accused of jaywalking, littering, running a red light, burglary, arson, etc., in the course of his hunt?
That must have been some hunt.
Of course you hadn't "heard" that, you can't read. Why is he hiding out? Why are the authorities looking for him? Why have the authorities said he broke all the laws for hunting big game? Read idiot, educate yourself.
DeleteHey!
ReplyDeleteIsn't that Clarence the Cross-eyed Lion?
All kidding aside, of course, this is a horrible travesty of justice. I think the last time we went around on this idea of illegal lion kills, I was reminded of being invited into the home of M'bari at the San Diego Zoo. Being just one meter away from this majestic animal inspired thoughts of the sacred. They become quite affectionate with their handlers, although direct contact is forbidden.
ReplyDeleteI got to wondering why is lion hunting legal in parts of Zimbabwe and other African nations? The population has dwindled from 200,000 to less than 30,000. If the U.S. were to list them as an endangered species, this would eliminate the largest source of trophy hunting. The answers generate controversy. Regulated hunting can in many ways protect a population. Fees for permits can generate funds for wildlife protection. The industry creates an incentive to preserve habitat. However, as much as this has been effective for other species, notably the rhinoceros, there is evidence to suggest that this has not worked out as well for lions. Zimbabwe actually had a ban in place in 2009 of hunting near protected areas. Populations went up 50% in four years. The questions that are raised have to do with the unique family structure of a pride of lions. Hunters invariably favor the adult males and often take the dominant animal as in the case of Cecil. Also many other males can be killed before the age of six when they have not created large families. Lastly, dishonesty and corruption blur the acceptable quotas of kills.
I found this this discussion very helpful.
Thanks FJ, that was interesting. You know how I feel.
DeleteI can't tell you how much I miss this kind of "bait" fishing. It can be the most amazing and rewarding thing. The stories that could be told - true ones. Over the years have kept very few - just for the folks when they came to visit. Barb-less hooks most always except where that fish in the picture was caught. On a special maybe 1/2 mile stretch of the Colorado River on the Colorado River Road behind Rancho Starvo mile marker 12 approximately.
ReplyDeleteBIG browns in here. The one in the picture is not one of them but Fly did catch the Grand Daddy of the River 200 yds down river. No witnesses and before digital camera. It's spots approached the size of a dime. It dwarfed this one. Thought it was going to croak. It was old. After a good twenty minutes I released it like all the others that number in the thousands and that is a fish story you can take to the bank.
Please go there but understand they will NOT take your worms but you will still have toooooo much fun as it's beautiful and you get the whole place to yourself. Routt,Eagle and Moffatt counties in NW Colorado are among the best places in the country overall. That's true too.
So enjoy some Fishing Good Times and crank it up !!!!
So instead of killing the animals you just reverse water board them for a while and release them? So much better I guess.
DeleteTypical killer, he's now "hiding out" and blaming his guide.
ReplyDeleteAre beef cattle, dairy cows, chickens, pigs, and other domesticated animals in danger of extinction? Where's the comparison?
ReplyDeleteLions aren't in danger of extinction.
DeleteThis guy broke every law (permits, etc.) getting his kill. Oh that's right, you gun loons support gun loons who break the law.
DeleteI never said I support him. I'm just correcting your mistaken belief that lions are in danger of extinction.
DeleteDepends on which country in the world you are in. No mistake on my part, just a false generalization on your part.
DeleteThat's not how extinction works. We don't say that the African Elephant is extinct in Antarctica.
DeleteRead, educate yourself, but thanks for proving me correct.
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