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"If You Live in Louisiana You’re Nearly Twice as Likely to Be Killed by a Gun:" Lets look at the gun control nirvana that The Trace likely wont mention ever,District of Colombia, violent crime rate in 2013, 1,300 per 100k, and homicide rate for 2013, 15.9 per 100kLouisiana, violent crime rate in 2013, 518 per 100k, and homicide rate, 10.8 per 100khttps://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/5tabledatadecpdf/table_5_crime_in_the_united_states_by_state_2013.xls Just for fun, lets go back and look at the figures in 2005, that is pre-Heller,District of Columbia, violent crime rate, 1,459 per 100k, and homicide rate, 35.4 per 100kLouisiana, violent crime rate, 594 per 100k and homicide rate, 9.9 per 100khttps://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_05.html
So, DC is worse. Is that the point? Does that make Louisiana's gun violence ok?
Does that make Louisiana's gun violence ok?No, but it sure blasts some vast, smoking craters in the argument that high rates of violence are a product of "loose gun laws." I know, I know--"other factors," right? The semicircular canals of your inner ears must be made of stern stuff indeed, Mikeb, for you to be able to function (after a fashion) despite all the spinning you do.
"Does that make Louisiana's gun violence ok?"Never said that Mike. Its not a surprise considering that this is a gun control "news" website, but lets look at the article's self stated premise,"Advocates claim the state's high rate of gun violence is a product of its lax gun laws and poor regulation of the firearms industry." So by showing the Districts combination of very strict gun laws AND high levels of violence, the premise is shown to be inaccurate.
No, not at all. DC's laws might as well be those of Virginia - it's just a five minute drive from some spots. Louisiana, on the other hand is surrounded by similarly loose states.
"No, not at all. DC's laws might as well be those of Virginia - it's just a five minute drive from some spots. " DC might be well advised to do that very thing, that is make their laws the same as Virginia's. Letts look at the result,As I mentioned earlier,"District of Colombia, violent crime rate in 2013, 1,300 per 100k, and homicide rate for 2013, 15.9 per 100k"And under loose gun laws of Virginia,Violent crime rate in 2013 was 196 per 100k, and homicide rate was 3.8 per 100k.
I'll bet if you take a section of Richmond and compare it to the state you'd come up with the same thing. DC is a city not a state, and it's a city with a huge crime problem.
"I'll bet if you take a section of Richmond and compare it to the state you'd come up with the same thing." That's an interesting assertion Mike, lets take a look at it. As I cited before, Virginia looks like this,Violent crime rate in 2013 was 196 per 100k, and homicide rate was 3.8 per 100k. Richmond comes in like this, Violent crime rate in 2013 of 244 per 100k and a homicide rate of 6.2 per 100k, so yes, there was a rise in crime levels in large metro areas. I considered DC as a state mainly because the FBI crime statistics lists it along with the other states. Plus, the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence also seems to list DC along with the other states. Lets not forget that the only limitation on the strictness of DC's gun laws is when they are held back by the evil Constitutional limitations,http://smartgunlaws.org/search-gun-law-by-state/However, I'm cool with comparing it to other cities. District of Colombia, violent crime rate in 2013, 1,300 per 100k, and homicide rate for 2013, 15.9 per 100kLets compare DC to say, New Orleans since the Everytown article says its the most dangerous city in the nation,Violent crime rate in 2013 was 474 per 100k and a homicide rate of 19 per 100k. Certainly nothing to write home about, but still falls far short of the gun control Nirvana known as DC. In fact, if DC's crime rate dropped to equal New Orleans, it would certainly make headlines over the improvement. Whats really interesting is when you look across the border at Alexandria VA. Literally a fifteen minute drive from DC into the lax gun laws of Virginia. In fact, its even considered a part of the DC metro area by the FBI.Violent Crime rate of 175 per 100k and a homicide rate of 3.4 per 100k. It will be interesting to see what happens if DC is forced to adopt a liberal carry permit law as its been ordered to by the courts.
And that's the point. Make DCs laws that of Virginia and you won't have a huge crime problem. Works everywhere else it's been tried.
Are you guys really saying that if DC loosens its gun laws the crime and murder rates will go down?
"Are you guys really saying that if DC loosens its gun laws the crime and murder rates will go down?" If Palmer is upheld, it might happen sooner than you think. Hard to imagine it making it worse than it already is.
No, it's not hard to imagine. More guns means more misuse of guns.
You said it's so easy for criminals to get guns because they can easily drive to Virginia. So more guns by relaxing laws in this case, just means more guns in the hands of good people.
That is an assumption on your part without any proof. There is proof the other way around tho. And the proof is in each states history of gun restrictions from past to present in the loosening of those restrictions.
If You Live in Louisiana You’re Nearly Twice as Likely to Be Killed by a GunNo. You are not any more likely to be killed by a gun if you move to Louisiana because you are probably not going to change your behavior to start doing things that are more likely to get you killed.
I don't think that makes sense. People who behave in a safe way are less likely to be shot in NJ than in LA. Doesn't that seem obvious? The number of guns per capita makes it so, doesn't it?
"People who behave in a safe way are less likely to be shot in NJ than in LA." Unless you live in say Camden, or maybe Trenton.
That's snide and besides the point. We're talking about the average citizen, not a specific one who lives in a hot spot. Overall, you're more likely to be shot in LA than in NJ, period. TS was wrong about the behavior factor.
So you think shootings are completely random?
"not a specific one who lives in a hot spot." Well Mike, the article also goes into a similar "hot spot", namely New Orleans. As for your comparison to New Jersey, if you stay out of the New Orleans metro area, the homicide rate drops to 5.45 per 100k, just a little higher than NJ's 4.5 per 100k.
YOu call that "just a litttle higher?" That's one more dead body for every 100,000. I call that a lot.TS, I don't even know what that means.
"YOu call that "just a litttle higher?" That's one more dead body for every 100,000. I call that a lot."Actually Mike, when the New Orleans metro area is taken out of the equation, it comes to a total of eight dead bodies. The remaining population of LA comes to about 772k.
Yes, and the difference between 5 and 4 percentage-wise is not "just a little."
Eight dead people is nothing to kill crazy gun loons.
Another place that never gets included in discussions of strict gun laws resulting in lower violent crime is the US territory of Puerto Rico. Not too long ago, this is how its gun laws were described,"Prior to this ruling, permits to purchase a firearm required proof of “need” and a lengthy process, and permits to carry concealed firearms were extremely difficult to obtain.""As such Puerto Rico was considered to be an effective "No Issue" territory for concealed carry permits except for in exceptional cases despite the official "may issue" policy."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Puerto_RicoWhich resulted in the following crime stats, Violent crime rate in 2013 was 258 per 100k and a homicide rate of 24.4 per 100k.https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/5tabledatadecpdf/table_5_crime_in_the_united_states_by_state_2013.xls Certainly no issues in regards to people driving in from states with lax gun laws. However, times, they are a changing there. A recent court decision has resulted in these restrictive gun laws being abolished resulting in only needing to fill out a form 4473 to purchase and the territory becoming de facto Constitutional carry. It will be interesting to see what its crime rate looks like in a couple of years.
So, it won't be long before we see a dramatic decline in the stats there too?
It will be interesting to see if that happens. Keep in mind that FBI crime reports lag a bit. The most current right now is 2013. I'm willing to wait.
So we have to live with unnecessary gun shot deaths, while you spew your deadly, acceptable to you, statistics. Thanks for proving you gun loons support unnecessary gun shot deaths.
Well Anon, the article Mike posted started spewing first. I just spew statistics that Everytown avoids because it contradicts their spewing. How come you don't object when someone spews statistics about deaths when it supports your side of the argument?
Simple, the number of gun shot deaths is counted officially by the police, the number of defenses gun uses, is not. Facts vs fantasy.
"Simple, the number of gun shot deaths is counted officially by the police, the number of defenses gun uses, is not. Facts vs fantasy. "You do live in a fantasy world, don't you Anon. What do you think police shootings are anyway. Defensive gun use. Non police individuals who use their gun successfully to defend themselves are absolutely counted and there are more verifiable defense uses by non police individuals than the police defense uses. The only non verifiable uses come from differing poll numbers. Get your facts straight Anon.
Show me those official numbers Anon.. No gun loon on this site ever has and have said police don't count them. Next lie.....