Friday, December 18, 2009

What Obama Should Do

Via The Existentialist Cowboy.

Obama should get off his butt and insist upon war crimes trials of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Condo Rice. That Iraq had WMD was a bald faced lie to justify the seizure of Middle East oil fields! Ergo --every Iraqi death following is one count in a WAR CRIMES INDICTMENT on the scale of those charged to Adolph Hitler and high mucky mucks in the murderous Third Reich.


  1. Yeah Baby, then the shit would really hit the fan!
    Glenn Beck would not only sweat and cry live on television, but treat to the full panopoly of his celebrated bodily functions....

  2. Silly.

    First of all, War Crimes are only for the losers of a total defeat. You cannot charge war crimes unless the "criminal" was defeated and captured. Winners or those that end with terms cannot be charged with a war crime.

    Secondly, Bush and Chaney can only be charged with violating U.S. laws. Americans are not subject to any foreign court.

  3. What a nutjob!

    Yeah, George Bush systematically exterminated millions of people in an attempt to wipe them out and create a master race!

  4. FWM, where did you go to law school?

    Americans can be subject to foreign courts and foreign judgments can be enforced against US citizens.

    Article VI provides:
    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

    Obviously, you don't know your US Constitution.

    At this point The is not a signatory to the 2002 Rome treaty that established the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague US. This is due to the fact that the US is worried that its citizens could be charged with acts of aggression.

  5. Laci,

    No foreign court has any jurisdiction over me, period. Can you name one? Didn't think so. Looks like you wasted your money on law school as I already knew that.

    War crimes are a Dog And Pony show. Only losers can be charged with a war crime--never winners nor even non-losers.

    And back to the original post, the rantings of the whacko in the video are silly. Bush and Cheney are not bound by any war crime court nor did they lose a war.

  6. I agree with FWM that "War crimes are a Dog And Pony show." But I think something should be done about the crimes those Bush gangsters committed.

    I agree with Mike W. for once that the comparison to Hitler was pretty stupid.

  7. FWM, that's because you are a peasant who has never gone beyond your village.

    Actually, you might be surprised by jurisdictional statutes.

    And no, I didn't waste my money on law School since I studied international law. Foreign Courts can have jurisdiction over you and a US Court will enforce a judgement on you if it believe you have been given proper procedure.

    It's no different than being sued in a different state under a long arm statute.

  8. I can't give you an example FWM since you haven't traveled beyond your village in Ohio, but I can from my own experience.

    I do business within the US, UK, France, Germany, and Holland to name a few jurisditions, I could be sued by bbusiness contacts in any of those jurisdictions.

    If the US were a signatory to the Rome Treaty, it would give foreign courts Jurisdiction over US citizens for war crimes.

    No ifs ands or buts.

  9. Laci - FWM's point was that those treaties are not enforceable against him as a US citizen living in this country.

    In other words, if the US signs some stupid UN gun control treaty banning all guns it is NOT enforceable against US citizens.

    Also, no foreign treaty is valid if it violates our Constitution.

  10. Laci,

    Thanks for reinforcing my comments for me. I originally said that foreign courts do not have jurisdiction over me or Bush or Cheney and that Bush and Cheney could not be charged with war crimes. Finally, after playing iffy lawyer for a few posts, you agreed with the poor little peasant. You are a true champion for the uneducated and it is an honor to have you help me so.[/sarcasm]