Nothing quite like starting out the morning news cycle with a couple of mass shootings.
The first represents another failure of civilization, another horrific, epic gun culture failure in the U.S.
The second represents the same; our gun violence bleeds over the border. Odds are high that the gun or guns used in the Canadian shooting originated in the U.S., just like so many of the firearms in Mexico come from U.S. manufacturers and originally, U.S. buyers (if only temporary, transitional owners).
We can have civilization, or we can be gun culture barbarians who place too little value on life and too much value on stupidly owning and using weapons readily which equates to barbarism. We have a clear choice, one which is in our faces with every gun violence news headline: choose between peace and safety FOR EVERYONE, or violence, erratic random danger and conflict with innocent victims.
We have to choose between laws and law enforcement, and gun happy pseudo-liberty screeching vigilantism.
Here are two of the initial news releases; as there are more details, I will post them here in updates.
From MSNBC.com:
17 hurt, four critical, in Alabama bar shooting
A man who allegedly opened fire outside a crowded bar walks in downtown Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Tuesday morning. Tuscaloosa police say 17 people were wounded when a gunman opened fire outside a crowded bar in downtown Tuscaloosa.
Seventeen people were injured, four of them critically, in a shooting at a bar in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, early Tuesday, police said. A report in the Tuscaloosa News quoted Sgt. Brent Blankley, with the Tuscaloosa Police, as saying the shooting happened around 12:30 a.m. Tuesday at Copper Top bar in the city’s Temerson Square. Mary Wyatt, spokesperson for the DCH Regional Medical Center in Tuscaloosa, told NBC News affiliate WAFF that 17 people were injured and admitted to the hospital overnight, four of whom were admitted to critical care. The station said the shooter was still on the loose. The police department issued a security camera image of a wanted suspect via its Twitter feed, which showed a man seen from the back as he walks down a sidewalk with what appears to be a gun in one hand. read the rest of the story here From the Globe and Mail: Toronto Police chief calls shootings that killed two, injured 21 worst in city's history Carys Mills and Kim Mackrael
The first represents another failure of civilization, another horrific, epic gun culture failure in the U.S.
The second represents the same; our gun violence bleeds over the border. Odds are high that the gun or guns used in the Canadian shooting originated in the U.S., just like so many of the firearms in Mexico come from U.S. manufacturers and originally, U.S. buyers (if only temporary, transitional owners).
We can have civilization, or we can be gun culture barbarians who place too little value on life and too much value on stupidly owning and using weapons readily which equates to barbarism. We have a clear choice, one which is in our faces with every gun violence news headline: choose between peace and safety FOR EVERYONE, or violence, erratic random danger and conflict with innocent victims.
We have to choose between laws and law enforcement, and gun happy pseudo-liberty screeching vigilantism.
Here are two of the initial news releases; as there are more details, I will post them here in updates.
From MSNBC.com:
17 hurt, four critical, in Alabama bar shooting
A man who allegedly opened fire outside a crowded bar walks in downtown Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Tuesday morning. Tuscaloosa police say 17 people were wounded when a gunman opened fire outside a crowded bar in downtown Tuscaloosa.
Seventeen people were injured, four of them critically, in a shooting at a bar in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, early Tuesday, police said. A report in the Tuscaloosa News quoted Sgt. Brent Blankley, with the Tuscaloosa Police, as saying the shooting happened around 12:30 a.m. Tuesday at Copper Top bar in the city’s Temerson Square. Mary Wyatt, spokesperson for the DCH Regional Medical Center in Tuscaloosa, told NBC News affiliate WAFF that 17 people were injured and admitted to the hospital overnight, four of whom were admitted to critical care. The station said the shooter was still on the loose. The police department issued a security camera image of a wanted suspect via its Twitter feed, which showed a man seen from the back as he walks down a sidewalk with what appears to be a gun in one hand. read the rest of the story here From the Globe and Mail: Toronto Police chief calls shootings that killed two, injured 21 worst in city's history Carys Mills and Kim Mackrael
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Barbecue organizer Shannon Longshaw, 28, said she didn’t know the man who was killed. The girl was not from the area. “By the time I got to the park, they had her in their hands and they put her on the stretcher and started pumping her chest," she said Tuesday morning. "I dropped to my knees and started to break. I swear to god. I dropped to my knees and said, ‘God, don't let this little girl die. She could be my daughter, please.’ That was it." The wounded ranged from a 22-month-old infant, who is expected to survive, to a 33-year-old. One person is in surgery, and others have been treated and released. “This is an area of the city that has never experienced this level of violence before,” Chief Blair told reporters. “Forty-three division is one of the largest divisions in the city, and so far this year they’ve had six shooting occurrences. In one single evening, to have two people lose their lives, 19 innocent people cut down by gunfire, it’s a very shocking incident.”
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Every person who carries a gun, who owns one or more firearms, believes they NEED to do so, has some lame justification other than law enforcement or some similar profession where it is a necessity and requirement of the task.
I have no argument with hunters, so long as they are safe and respect private property - but too many are not, particularly when it comes to alcohol consumption, and to knowing where the projectiles they fire could go or the distance they could travel. Deadly force should not be strapped to anyone's hip without good reason; it is an exposure without justification for the risk. We are not safer because of more people being armed; we are LESS safe. This is true for the lawful owner as well as the unlawful; if it were not so, then only the unlawful would be having the accidents and deliberate shootings that kill so many children, or that result in so many impulsive suicides, or that are involved in multiple per week murder suicides.
Fewer firearms equates to less violence; more firearms equates to more violence. It is that simple. We have a clear choice violence or not violence. Violence like the above is a clear demonstration of the gun culture failure in a civilized society. Our gun culture is like a disease, it kills, it maims, it destroys, and it appears to be contagious as well.
If more people had guns he would have been dropped after the first few rounds. Furthermore all your arguments are poor but I won't waste my time.
ReplyDelete1. If this guy didn't have a gun, NO ONE would have been shot.
Delete2. How do you know how many other people had guns? You don't. The assumption that other people having guns would have resulted in this guy being shot is ludicrous. There is absolutely NO proof, no evidence whatsoever that more people having firearms results in bad guys being prevented from doing more harm.
If it were a correct assumption, there would be a pattern of documentation for it.
There isn't such a pattern, not anywhere where there has been an increase in either open or concealed carry.
3. NO, are arguments are not poor; you don't want to engage because clearly from your comment you are not capable of presenting a factually supported argument, or a well-reasoned one.
But by all means snakey boy run away and hide, because you are too afraid of being shown up to write anything cogent.
but I won't waste my time
DeleteYou already are.
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2. How do you know how many other people had guns? You don't. The assumption that other people having guns would have resulted in this guy being shot is ludicrous.
DeleteTo further reinforce DG's point, We had at least one CCW permit holder present when Gabby Giffords was shot--he did fuck all to stop it. In fact, he admitted that if he had shot--he would have hit one of the people subduing the shooter.
We have seen other cases where the CCW permit holder is present at a mass shooting but did fuck all to stop it.
I also believe that these shootings occurred in a "shall issue" state--so, I think it's fair that there musta been some "law abiding citizen" around.
So, trousersnakehead, if anyone's argument is poor, it's the one you present.
Not only do you talk shit, you fail to back up your statements with any serious argumentation--hence award of the fuckwit card.
From a quick google it appears that teh gunz are allowed in bars in Alabam, on a county by county basis. Knowing two things about gunzloonz:
ReplyDelete1.) They will, without a doubt, do open or ccw totin' where they're allowed by law to do so.
2.) If the law is badstupid (one that they don't like) they'll ignore it.
I'm gonna guess that there were gunz in teh bar (some of them prolly tucked into waistbands for quick access) and yet, one guy with a paltry SEMI-AUTOMATIC NOT BATTLE RIFLE, WTF IS IT WITH YOU ANTI-GUNZ TRAITOR, JESUS HATER TYPES, ANYWAYS? managed to shoot almost twenty people and walk back out the door.
"Snake eyes" is such an appropriate moniker for someone who obviously can't see what's right in front of them (most snakes do not rely on their eyesight as much as their tongues (sense of smell) pits (in the case of many vipers) and their bodies picking up vibrations. Snakes are also prone to attacking other animals that are too big to eat and pose no genuine threat.
So, yeah, "Snake eyes" is a great label for a gunzloon.