Colorado’s new segregated “gun dorms” for students with valid concealed-carry permits have attracted zero students.This is the funniest gun story of the year. The gun-rights bullies pushed this through and there were no takers.
The Daily Camera newspaper reports that since the University of Colorado’s Boulder and Colorado Springs campuses began segregating dorms for students with valid concealed-carry permits this year, not a single student has asked to live where guns are allowed.
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ReplyDeleteThis is an ultimate example of what I've been saying all along... The "guns on campus" movement is run by idiots who, with rare exception, aren't students, instructors, or staff at universities, and often don't even have a college education. Poll after poll have shown that people actually affiliated with universities don't want guns there. I can speak from experience, having had advanced degrees and working at universities for many years. They don't want guns there. It's a "duh" sort of thing among them.
Oregonian, instructors and staff don't live in the dorms. I've told your side many times that those two are the more likely ones to be carrying on campus. And since when do rights need a majority vote? You would have supported segregation in the South, yes?
DeleteStudents don't want guns in their dorms, Greg, nor anywhere else on campus.
DeleteThere is no right to have guns on campuses or anywhere else outside the home -- not from the 2A, according to the SCOTUS. Or do you have a reference on a SCOTUS ruling that says otherwise? No? That's because it doesn't exist.
Jason, in Heller,SCOTUS held that The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
DeleteNowhere in that ruling does it say that the right to self-defense is limited to in the home only. The ruling says that an individual has the right to keep an bear arms for traditionally lawful purposes, clearly, self defense outside of the home is a traditionally lawful purpose as can be seen by the many laws regarding self defense outside of the home.
Oregonian, where'd you get the idea that the Supreme Court issues us rights? If that's what you believe, was the Dred Scott decision correct while it was in force? Were slaves genuinely the property of slaveholders until an amendment changed the rules, or was that a violation of rights?
DeleteYou say students don't want guns, but my Comp. I class is debating this topic right now. The majority favor allowing concealed carry on campus. That's my class, not every student, but you said students without qualification. You'll find, if you look, that some students are on your side and some are on mine.
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DeleteOne quick question ... if a student is living in his dorm room, how is that not his home? Should he/she suddenly be entitled to a lower right of self defense?
The SCOTUS doesn't "issue rights," Greg, but they do interpret them. Given their law degrees and extensive, vetted experience, I'd say they have a better definition of what your rights are than your own, severely-biased opinion.
Delete@ Bill: Read the DC vs. Heller ruling, and I quote:
Delete"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
So, yes, it is restricted to the home, and allowances are still made to restrictions regarding conceal carry, and dorms for that matter.
@ Frail: The dorm is not his "home." Like it or not, it is a property of the university, and they can set whatever rules they wish regarding gun ownership and possession, within the letter of the law.
DeleteI think I'm going to spin this story into a Jesus dorm bit.
ReplyDeleteI ran an honor court at a major midwest university, where students accused of cheating on tests were essentially tried within the course instructors. We had 2-3 situations per year. Often the students were guilty, and the evidence was strong. So, today, I would have to deliver the news that the academic destruction had occurred to some idiot wearing a gun? This is insane.
ReplyDeleteExplain to me how a sign on the wall or a rule in a book will stop the student in question from bringing a gun.
DeleteI'd rather allow good people to be able to defend themselves when that student brings a gun than to disarm them and make them better victims.
The most appropriate housing for the gun-toter is its natural environment; the padded wall cell, in conjunction with a healthy dose of Thorazine and the straitjacket.
DeleteAnonymous makes the right point. Greg, you know very well we're not talking about law-breakers, we're talking about lawful, young gun owners, who being armed, will interfere with the standard professor/student relationship. Only a close-minded and biased gun fanatic like yourself would pretend to not see this.
DeleteGreg, you are a fucking moron. Most people obey laws. In college, you are preparing your future. If there is a rule saying "No guns", you will not carry a gun. Of course, there are some insane wacks who get guns through the gun show loophole (VCU killer). But normal young people will not carry if this is forbidden. Rules ALLOWING carry just encourage the desperate to carry. Faculty and grad students will be killed.
DeleteIsn't there a law against killing?
DeleteAnonymous and Mikeb, once again, you're dodging my question. We are talking about lawbreakers and crazies. Sane people don't typically go around shooting each other.
DeleteThe typical carry license holder on a campus will be a member of the faculty or staff. A few will be older students. Licenses aren't given to people under twenty-one years old. Why do you want to disarm the good guys? The bad guys will carry, regardless of the law.
Who Wants to Live in a Gun Dorm? - Nobody - Not Even Gun Owners
ReplyDeleteYou're assuming that the student gun owners live on campus, after all, why wouldn't they want to, since they are being treated like the Negroes were in the 60's. Next, the school will want all the Jews living in a separate dorm. Once that's done, let's put all the Muslims on the other side of campus and the Christians someplace in the middle.
Segregation, yeah, it's a laughing matter.
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DeleteAre you smoking crack? Your comment is so fucking stupid that I figger you must be smoking something.
DeleteGun control advocates join Governor Wallace on the moral low ground.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't think there would be many takers given that you have to be 21 to have a carry license, and most dorm residents are 18 or 19. Campus CCW appeals mostly to staff, faculty, and non-traditional students.
ReplyDeleteOwning and possessing a lethal weapon is a far cry from racism. It's a stupid attempt to redirect the issue, morons.
ReplyDeleteI'm not trying to redirect anything, hate is hate. I suppose it would be ok with you if all the gays had to move to separate dorms. We'll call it the Rainbow rooms. It's ok for the girls to live with girls and boys with boys in the 'normal' dorms, but if you take a likin' to your roomy, you'll have to move to separate quarters, 'cause we don't know if that's contagious or not. Let's not stop there, if take a likin' to boys and girls, well, you'd just have to be separated from everyone, that just confuses people. I'm not sure what we can do with the boys that dress like girls, that's just too weird, we should ask them not to even come to class, 'cause that's just a distraction and would take away from the education experience.
DeleteSegregation, yep, it's still a laughing matter.