Thursday, July 3, 2014

Another Big Win for The Moms - Target



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"Our approach has always been to follow local laws, and of course, we will continue to do so," Target interim CEO John Mulligan said in a statement published by Target's in-house online magazine on Wednesday. "But starting today we will also respectfully request that guests not bring firearms to Target – even in communities where it is permitted by law."

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  1. When the MOMs started these attempts to pressure businesses into banning guns, they would delightfully post photos of the signs on the door going up on said businesses. Now they're starting to be asked to leave, much like the open carry types in Texas.

    "These moms were hoping to ask Target customers to sign a petition demanding change, but the store manager asked the group to leave."

    http://www.foxsanantonio.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/moms-gather-at-local-target-ask-gun-policy-change-4828.shtml#.U7V8oofQe1v

    These days the standard response is to throw the MOMs a PR bone so they'll go away and then not do anything in the way of real change. This happened with Starbucks and it isn't even implied in the case of Target since the corporate spokesperson is on record as saying this,

    "Still, Target won’t post signs at its doors asking customers not to bring guns inside, said Molly Snyder, a Target spokeswoman."

    “It is not a ban,” she said. “There is no prohibition.”

    http://www.startribune.com/business/265535731.html

    It sort of shows a lack of confidence on the part of the MOMs that they seem to be satisfied with these press releases when they aren't coupled with any real change. You would think that if they had the support they claim, that they would be asking Starbucks why they aren't posting in their venues to ban lawful carry.
    So now we have the CEO asking people not to open carry rifles in their stores, and then the official spokesperson on the record saying it isn't a ban. I'm not sure how much more contradictory they can be.
    Minnesota doesn't permit open carry in the way that Texas does. In order to carry any firearm in public, you need a carry permit. However, the carry permit law does not require you to conceal.

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    1. Nobody in this post called it a ban. "The retail giant is telling its customers to leave their guns at home." Big win for our side, regardless of how you try to downplay it.

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    2. Of course it's not real change when people like you simply ignore the rules.

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    3. On the contrary Anon, I'm only looking for Target to follow the rules. They have but to follow state law.

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    4. That's not true. They don't have to follow anything they don't want to.

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    5. Wanna bet??

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    6. "That's not true. They don't have to follow anything they don't want to."

      In Minnesota there are two courses of action available to businesses that want to ban lawful carry. One is they post signs in accordance to state law. The second is they ask each individual to leave when they see them.
      The CEO and his official spokesperson have said two very different statements, so my safest recourse if to go by the law as written.

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    7. Are you kidding me? You will ignore the request because they haven't invoked the law?

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    8. Mike, in the article I cited, they both said please don't AND you aren't prohibited. Two very different messages. Being so deliberately unclear forces me to resort to seeking the protection afforded by the state permit law which has been working pretty well since 2003.

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  2. "Our approach has always been to follow local laws, and of course, we will continue to do so," Target interim CEO John Mulligan

    You will continue to see and not see the firearms around you at Target including mine as they have stated they WILL CONTINUE to follow local law and NO i do not care about their unreasonable REQUEST to leave ones ability and right to defend themselves in a active shooter situation at the door. Should i be asked to leave, I would comply as i would in any business being asked to leave for any reason but that has never happened and i doubt it ever will .

    Again the enemy of the republic Anti Moms harass a business and are placated into thinking they have won something by a Corp that does not give a shit about the cause they just want them to STFU

    MBIAC

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    1. If someone asks you to leave your gun at home, whether a private homeowner having a dinner party, or a chain store like Target, you are required to comply. Unless of course you're a bullying asshole who knows not how to act in polite society. So much for all your bullshit about gun owners being polite and reasonable. You prove they're not.

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    2. Mike we have not lived in a polite society for generations thanks in part to communist such as yourself.

      Was in Target and Chipotle yesterday with my legally concealed firearm did not see any panic or fear in anyone imagine that..

      Answer the question Mike do you support the murder of us citizens without due process?

      MBIAC

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    3. If we no longer have a polite society, it's because of jerks like you who refuse to follow the rules of a polite society. Courtesy is not based on laws etched in books and signed off by politicians. Common sense rules of society are not voted on by politicians. politicians is the last place to find courtesy and common sense, but laws and regulations are always the result of idiots who have no sense of courtesy, or common sense, they have to be forced by law to behave humanely. So another law will have to be passed to curtail your sub-human behavior and protect the innocent.

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    4. MBIAC, I answered your asinine and off-topic question on the other thread. Why are you repeating it?

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    5. Because You did not answer the Question Mike you skirted it like a politician . And your intentionally not willing to admit the truth which is the 4 known victims of the current administrations criminal actions where TARGETED again they were TARGETED they are not collateral damage as you have stated.Only the president can order cross border incursions so yes he is personal responsible for the crimes he perpetrated. But if you lack the courage to state the truth and condemn his actions it would be exactly what is expected of you...or perhaps you are just a dyed in the wool racist as you called me in another post and don't care about Arabs being slaughtered illegally ...

      And to your continued assertion that I think this way out of hatred for him is amusing given that i voted for him in 08 and have never voted for any republican in any race. I believe we the American citizenry have a duty to expect all government employees from the top to the bottom to follow the constitution at ALL times even when its inconvenient no exceptions


      MBIAC

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    6. It sounds like you get you information for old Alex at Info Wars.

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    7. Wow you really are a communist coward again refusing to condemn his crimes..your family are surely sadden by your complete and total lack of objectivity and defense of the murder of children by their own government..

      MBIAC. MikeB proudly defending the murder of children since 2014

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    8. You are such an idiot. If there had really been a crime, would FOX News still be rehashing the Benghazi nonsense? Would they still be talking about the IRS? No, they wouldn't. They'd dedicate their entire programming to the supposed crimes of which you seem to be obsessed. Go back to Info Wars. They go for your particular brand of obsessive craziness.

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  3. And yet Moms Demand Action was run off from a Target in Texas just before this statement was issued by Target CEOs. Their statement amounts to just leave them out of the politics.

    "Our approach has always been to follow local laws, and of course, we will continue to do so,".

    In Texas, unless they post a 30.06 sign at the entrances, concealed carry is still allowed. So would open carry of long guns, but they can run them off just like Moms Demand Action was run off.

    Big win? Hardly! Amounts to the same position as Starbucks, Chipotle, Sonic and so on. They just want to be left out of the fray.

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    1. You're another one leaving out the salient part of their statement - leave your fucking guns at home.

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    2. Nope, not gonna happen. If they post a 30.06 sign properly then I wont go in at all. If not then I will shop there as usual with my properly concealed firearm and permit.

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    3. An armed society is a polite society. Please leave your gun at home. No, fuck you.

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  4. These gun loons don't care what the CEO's of companies say, won't comply with requests, and don't give a shit about people's safety. Uncouth, rude, violent jerks is all they are.

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    1. "These gun loons don't care what the CEO's of companies say"

      Anon, we have the CEO asking people not to carry rifles and shotguns in their stores. Then we have the official spokesperson of the CEO telling us it isn't a ban and they are still going with whatever local laws are in force.
      Minnesota doesn't have an open carry law in the style Texas does. Openly carrying a rifle or shotgun in public for purposes other than hunting or other defined purposes is a gross misdemeanor.
      The spokespersons announcement obviously wasn't a mistake. If it were, there would have been a correction or retraction published. I don't believe I've ever carried a rifle or shotgun in public outside of assigned duties.

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    2. So are you rescinding your refusal to comply with the rules the CEO of Target (and Starbucks and many more) and do as they ask, don't bring your guns into their stores?

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    3. No response from the gun loon SS. Again leaving us wondering what his stance is except he will not follow rules.

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    4. "Again leaving us wondering what his stance is except he will not follow rules. "

      Sorry Anon, in light of the contradiction in the comments of the CEO and the official spokesperson, I'm going to have to fall back on following the rules. In this case Minnesota state law, which specifies correct signage required in order to ban lawful carry.

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  5. When business bottomlines start to suffer --- and they will-- because soccer moms don't like to shop in combat zones, you're going to see these big businesses start to throw money at the problem.

    Bye, bye open carry.

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    1. When are you idiots going to realize that just because you cant see the firearms around you doesn't mean they are not there...

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