Tuesday, July 1, 2014

New York man walks in, asks for job, starts shooting


ONLY in the crazy world of the failure of gun culture fetishist do you take a gun to a job interview.

ONLY in the crazy world of the gun culture fetishist do businesses have to tolerate idiots with guns on their premises as routine, no matter how dangerous -- and of course the gun fetishists are in total denial about their lack of safety or absence of sound judgement.

Firearms are an impulsive weapon in the crimes of murder/suicide.  Without those weapons, far fewer of those crimes occur because of that contribution of impulse.

From Raw Story:

NY man walks into business for a job, shoots two workers and himself when he doesn’t get it

A New York man who walked into a business looking for a job on Monday shot two workers, and then turned the gun on himself when he did not immediately get it.
According to the PIX11, 54-year-old Cameron Waithe asked Oscar Ramirez for a job just after walking into C&A Iron Works in Brooklyn at around 11 a.m. on Monday.
“Oscar said he should go talk to the manager,” employee Marcos Chantes told the New York Post.
Company manager, Joselo Gonzalez, then directed Waithe upstairs where he could talk to the owner of the company.
“I see him looking nervous,” Chantes recalled. “He’s looking behind his back like someone is looking for him.”
That’s when Waithe pulled out a gun and took aim at Ramirez.
“Oscar said, ‘Hey, hey, what’s happening?’ And he just shot him,” Chantes explained. “I ran and started yelling, ‘Everyone get out, get out.’?”
Waithe fired his gun eight times over the next ten minutes. Ramirez fled the building after being shot in the stomach, and 66-year-old employee Armando Tapia was also hit.
For hours after that, the shooter sat barricaded in an office with a gun to his head, while NYPD negotiator Lt. Jack Cambria said that he had “positive” negotiations. Waithe agreed to give up his car keys, and a bomb-like device during the talks.
"We engaged in dialogue and then, unprovoked, he shot himself,” Cambria remarked.
Ramirez was taken to Lutheran Medical Center, where he was listed in critical condition. Tapia was reportedly also at Lutheran Medical Center in stable condition.
Police said that Waithe had a criminal history that included assault, criminal possession of marijuana and resisting arrest. But his friends and family were shocked to learn of the incident.

No mention of mental illness; this was just a bloody-minded asshole with a gun that he could acquire far too easily.

Remember - within a year of a criminal conviction for marijuana possession, no record would remain on the NICS data base.

Thank the NRA and gun fanatics for that contribution to gun violence. 

That is IF his name was ever submitted to the NICS data base in the first place -- more than half the names who should be in the national data base are NOT.

Thank the NRA and gun fanatics for that contribution to gun violence.

So long as the resisting arrest crime was plea-bargained down to a misdemeanor, in spite of it being a violent crime, it would not prevent him from legally buying a firearm from an FFL seller. 

Thank the NRA and gun fanatics for that contribution to gun violence.

Think about, as well, the cost of law enforcement, the danger to law enforcement, and the hospitalization costs for NOTHING OF VALUE because of this jerk having easy access to firearms. 

Think about, as well, the cost of the lost productivity of these workers, the loss to this business, and the costs of hospitalization and possibly physical and psychological therapy as a result of this shooting --- all for NOTHING OF VALUE because of the obsession with violence and firearms by a segment of our society.

Guns should be much harder to acquire and own.

Guns should be much harder to use.

Gun ownership should be mandated to require insurance coverage, for liability, for the damages that gun owners do.

And no -- where there is stricter gun ownership regulation, there are FEWER criminals with guns, and law enforcement is at less risk, and there is less cost associated with gun violence as well.

New York has excellent gun laws; the problem firearms come from out of state, from those states with LAX gun laws. 

We need national regulation that prevents the people in the "bad gun law states" from victimizing the people across the nation, including those in the "good gun law" states like New York by providing, selling, and/or transporting guns that would otherwise be prohibited to people who would otherwise be prohibited from acquiring them.


  1. Actually he wasn't even denied a job, just told to go talk to the guy who does the hiring and then he opened fire. Another question that hasn't been answered yet is was the firearm used legally possessed? If the man was a resident of New York City, he had to go through an extensive and expensive licensing procedure which goes far beyond a simple NICS background check and includes many more disqualifying offences than even the NY Safe Act.
    In NYC there is even a flourishing industry of experts who make money helping people negotiate the arduous path to owning a handgun in the city. In fact his possession of a handgun in the strict confines of NYC should be credited to gun control advocates who have produced this nirvana of "common sense" gun laws.

    1. I doubt this guy went through the process you describe.

      Looks a lot more from his description that he was one of those who bought a gun from out of state -- one of those lax gun law states that contribute around 85% of the guns used in crimes.

    2. ss, if he was indeed in illegal possession of the gun, the question is where did that particular gun come from and who was the last legal owner. Many times the last legal owner is at fault for not having properly held onto his gun.

  2. Any individual, or business should be able to ban guns from their property.

    1. Private property owners and businesses are almost universally permitted to ban lawful carry on their property. In Minnesota, a business has but to lawfully post their wishes. Even without such a sign, businesses are permitted to ask an individual to leave at any time.
      Carry permits in New York City are very rare. Permits issued in the state outside of New York City aren't valid in New York City.

    2. It's your side that keeps saying they will not comply with the wishes of the corporation that asks people not to bring their guns into their establishments. Please don't cite rules you ignore and then claim the rule protects anyone.

    3. "It's your side that keeps saying they will not comply with the wishes of the corporation that asks people not to bring their guns into their establishments."

      Sorry Anon, whatever my "side" says about open carry, I've stated several times here that I respect the wishes of businesses that properly post according to whatever local law applies. So the businesses have but to legally post and my dollars will go elsewhere. Here is what is legal in Minnesota and what I look for,


    4. Sorry both you and GC said you would ignore Starbucks wishes when the president of Starbucks made a national statement that his customers not bring guns into his store. Your explanation was even though he made that national plea, he did not post it on every door of all his stores, so you were not obliged to follow his rule. That kind of twisted thinking only shows what a gun loon you are, not a reasonable gun owner who respects the wishes, or rules of others.

  3. Individuals and businesses do ban guns from their premises and lawful gun owners obey the ban either by not bring their firearm into the business or property, or else not visiting that individual or utilizing that particular business.

    Posters on this blog automatically assume anyone who uses a gun in an illegal manner are "lawful" gun owners who had a bad day, when in reality, they aren't.

    1. That's not true. My above comment mentions that this guy was probably an illegal gun owner. What you automatically assume is that every gun in criminal hands got there my magic with no fault on the part of the last legal owner. When you lawful gun owners refuse to safely store your guns and a half a million of them are stolen each year, you cannot claim no responsibility for that.

    2. I posted my comment early in this thread. As of last night at 10:30 EST, it hadn't been posted or moderated yet. (Check the timeline.)

      In many previous articles you've posted about individuals using guns in an illegal manner, you have assumed that they were lawful gun owners even though there's no indication in the cited article that they are.

      I've never been opposed to back ground checks. In fact, I've been through one every time I buy a new gun either online or at the local gun store.

      But I am against registration, even though buying a gun at a gun store or online is a defacto registration because of ATF regs on keeping records of gun sales.

    3. You noticed that I post a lot of stories about lawful gun owners who act badly. That's my little attempt to counteract one of your favorite lies, that most gun crime is gang and drug related. It's not.