I have little doubt that the Civil War was indeed about slavery, but I of course don't agree that everyone who claims otherwise is "lying." I think some of them really have bought the idea that it was about independence and state's rights. I think they're wrong, but that's obviously different from "lying."
This military bozo's bogus history has been de-bunked over and over again by scholars who haven't been seduced and brain-washed by the Lincoln worshipers.
His own home state of Illinois prohibited the immigration of blacks into the state. While Lincoln himself had a plan to ship them all back to Liberia. One simply needs to read his 1st Inaugural Address to find out what he actually thought.
Somebody nees to tell this idiot that Jefferson Davis was the president of the Confederate states and Lincoln's Proclamation only freed slaves in the Northern states.
Let's hear the generals reasoning for the reason only the United States fought a war to end slavery and every other nation did so peacefully. Let's talk about reparations... that was paid to the slaveholders.
Let's hear his explanation as to why we don't hear any belly-aching from the blacks that were sent East on the Sahara Trail. Hint: All males were castrated and any children born of black women were killed. No Fergusons over there.
Yep, 4% of Southerners owned slaves and the other 96% fought for them and it had nothing whatsoever to do with tariffs or any other economic policies of the Northern states.
This is the kind of bull you get when the victors write the history books. The general could use a tampon in his mouth to stop the flow of bullshit.
So you think that the 96% of the Southern population that didn't own slaves were fighting for slavery, is that right? State's Rights played no part in that equation is what you are saying.
You must have forgotten George Carlin's #1 rule: Never believe ANYTHING the government tells you. But, then again, he was just a blowhard on the internet.
Mike, would you be so kind as to forward this to your historian? http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/ Thank you,
Who knew you were such a big fan of the authority of Dennis Prager's "Prager University"? I thought you'd call him a "lying liar" or something. Have you watched any other of their instructional shorts?
Yes, slavery was the great shame of our nation. I have dealt with two streams of conservative thought on this problem. The first, and less problematic believes that slavery in our country is ancient history. One hundred and fifty years ago seems like deep time. The problems once associated with the freeing of the slaves have long since been put behind us. Reparation took place in the nineteenth century. Why is this still a social issue with liberal Americans and the black population? I had an exchange with one of these Americans on a blog almost ten years ago. These are the same people that would have us believe that the civil rights movement occurred and ended between 1956 and 1968. I mentioned that as a child, our family cleaning lady, (not a live-in housekeeper,) was a black woman in her sixties. She was born very near to the beginning of the century. She rode a bus into La Jolla from a predominantly black neighborhood near downtown San Diego. Market Street, to be exact. The significant fact to my family was that her own grandmother had been a slave. That's not deep time to me.
The second and more deleterious strain of conservative thought is, of course, the social maniacs who would postulate the ridiculous claim that the Civil War was fought over tariffs, state's rights, what-have-you, anything but directly over slavery. They acknowledge that slavery was a small part of the overall picture. Unadulterated insanity. These people don't live in the deep south either. They are simply part of a new confederacy. One of these people simply drove me out of my gourd every time I attempted to talk to him. Rather than deal with such a toxic individual, I choose to give him a wide berth and simply leave him alone although we still have common bloggy friends. He is also a climate science denier, absolutely gobbling up any false data or silly graphs that he can print out on his blog. Sends me off the deep end, he is so willfully ignorant.
Lately I have been making a study of the civil rights movement for both American blacks and American Jews since about 1940. I have found some fascinating source material.
As far as whether or not the Civil War was fought over slavery, simply consider the monetary value of a young, strong black slave. They sold and were listed as property valuing over a thousand dollars. That would be the equivalent of fifty thousand dollars or more today. They were the entire labor engine of the Southern economy.
There you go, your gun loons typical twisting of History. The same twisting they do of the 2nd A, and any other facts that don't support their fanatic garbage.
Well, that settles that, I should hope.
ReplyDeleteI have little doubt that the Civil War was indeed about slavery, but I of course don't agree that everyone who claims otherwise is "lying." I think some of them really have bought the idea that it was about independence and state's rights. I think they're wrong, but that's obviously different from "lying."
ReplyDeleteThis military bozo's bogus history has been de-bunked over and over again by scholars who haven't been seduced and brain-washed by the Lincoln worshipers.
ReplyDeleteHis own home state of Illinois prohibited the immigration of blacks into the state. While Lincoln himself had a plan to ship them all back to Liberia. One simply needs to read his 1st Inaugural Address to find out what he actually thought.
Somebody nees to tell this idiot that Jefferson Davis was the president of the Confederate states and Lincoln's Proclamation only freed slaves in the Northern states.
Let's hear the generals reasoning for the reason only the United States fought a war to end slavery and every other nation did so peacefully. Let's talk about reparations... that was paid to the slaveholders.
Let's hear his explanation as to why we don't hear any belly-aching from the blacks that were sent East on the Sahara Trail. Hint: All males were castrated and any children born of black women were killed. No Fergusons over there.
Yep, 4% of Southerners owned slaves and the other 96% fought for them and it had nothing whatsoever to do with tariffs or any other economic policies of the Northern states.
This is the kind of bull you get when the victors write the history books. The general could use a tampon in his mouth to stop the flow of bullshit.
orlin sellers
I find you much less credible than the speaker on the video, the speaker being a bonafide expert historian, not just a blowhard on the internet.
DeleteSo you think that the 96% of the Southern population that didn't own slaves were fighting for slavery, is that right? State's Rights played no part in that equation is what you are saying.
DeleteYou must have forgotten George Carlin's #1 rule: Never believe ANYTHING the government tells you. But, then again, he was just a blowhard on the internet.
orlin sellers
Mike, would you be so kind as to forward this to your historian?
Deletehttp://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/
Thank you,
orlin sellers
Who knew you were such a big fan of the authority of Dennis Prager's "Prager University"? I thought you'd call him a "lying liar" or something. Have you watched any other of their instructional shorts?
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VBAEJlR4pk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkdbSxyXftc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSten18rI9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqLjyA0hL1s
I only saw the first two, Affirmative Action and Climate Change. You really go right down the line with the Republican pitch, don't you.
DeleteYes, slavery was the great shame of our nation. I have dealt with two streams of conservative thought on this problem. The first, and less problematic believes that slavery in our country is ancient history. One hundred and fifty years ago seems like deep time. The problems once associated with the freeing of the slaves have long since been put behind us. Reparation took place in the nineteenth century. Why is this still a social issue with liberal Americans and the black population? I had an exchange with one of these Americans on a blog almost ten years ago. These are the same people that would have us believe that the civil rights movement occurred and ended between 1956 and 1968. I mentioned that as a child, our family cleaning lady, (not a live-in housekeeper,) was a black woman in her sixties. She was born very near to the beginning of the century. She rode a bus into La Jolla from a predominantly black neighborhood near downtown San Diego. Market Street, to be exact. The significant fact to my family was that her own grandmother had been a slave. That's not deep time to me.
ReplyDeleteThe second and more deleterious strain of conservative thought is, of course, the social maniacs who would postulate the ridiculous claim that the Civil War was fought over tariffs, state's rights, what-have-you, anything but directly over slavery. They acknowledge that slavery was a small part of the overall picture. Unadulterated insanity. These people don't live in the deep south either. They are simply part of a new confederacy. One of these people simply drove me out of my gourd every time I attempted to talk to him. Rather than deal with such a toxic individual, I choose to give him a wide berth and simply leave him alone although we still have common bloggy friends. He is also a climate science denier, absolutely gobbling up any false data or silly graphs that he can print out on his blog. Sends me off the deep end, he is so willfully ignorant.
Lately I have been making a study of the civil rights movement for both American blacks and American Jews since about 1940. I have found some fascinating source material.
As far as whether or not the Civil War was fought over slavery, simply consider the monetary value of a young, strong black slave. They sold and were listed as property valuing over a thousand dollars. That would be the equivalent of fifty thousand dollars or more today. They were the entire labor engine of the Southern economy.
There you go, your gun loons typical twisting of History. The same twisting they do of the 2nd A, and any other facts that don't support their fanatic garbage.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason the States rights issue started, was because of slavery. There's no doubt which came first.
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