Tuesday, August 11, 2015

California Man Uses "Ghost Gun" to Commit Murder-Suicide

ABC with video report

Walnut Creek police have revealed that the killer used a homemade "ghost gun" in the murder-suicide of two young college students. It was a crime and a weapon that's really surprised police.

In late July, police say 21-year-old Scott Bertics showed up at a house in Walnut Creek and shot and killed 19-year-old Clare Orton before using a second gun to kill himself. While both had been in a relationship, police are not saying what prompted the young man to commit this crime.

But police told ABC7 News that both handguns were homemade, built by the Bertics who ordered the parts through the mail.


19 comments:

  1. Well Mike, I've looked at some other articles of this event and the big thing that's missing is any mention at all that he was a prohibited person and that he made the guns because he couldn't get one through legal means.
    It also took more time and effort to build the guns than the 10 day waiting period which California. And he certainly didn't do it in hopes that not being registered, there would be no records to lead back to him.
    So, whatever his reasons, he could have saved himself a lot of time and effort just waiting the ten days and buying an already made firearm. Have you seen anything about him being a prohibited person?

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    1. Home made gun manufacturer is not only a bad thing because criminals can do it. It's a bad thing because it just increases the saturation factor. Guns do more harm than good, as I continually show, that means a new way of acquiring guns does more harm than good - as is shown in this case.

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    2. Mike, making your own gun from parts surely isn't new. I believe it was back in the mid 1800's when Samual Colt introduced interchangeable parts in the manufacture of firearms. And it's completely legal.
      And even now, it isn't all that easy,

      "Not that it's easy to do. "You don't have to be an engineer, but you can't just take a file and a drill and start making one of these things," Paredes continued. "You've got to use power tools in order to take block or plastic or aluminum or steel and hollow out cavities within the caption. You have to perfectly drill holes in proper alignment. ... Critics will say it's easy for anyone to do it, but anybody who says that has never had the experience of building a firearm."

      As for the cost and time of such a project, the accessory parts run anywhere from $500 to $2,000 depending on the desired gun. Unless expertly done, the building process is long and tedious.

      "Without the sophistication of $750,000 machining tools, it can take a long, long time, weeks and weeks," Paredes said."



      http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_28597913/walnut-creek-murder-suicide-points-simmering-questions-ghost?source=rss
      In fact, the Governor of California put it quite well when he vetoed a law regarding such guns,



      "I appreciate the author’s concern’s about gun violence, but I can’t see how adding a serial number to a homemade gun would significantly advance public safety, ” Brown said."

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    3. "Guns do more harm than good, as I continually show"

      Apparently Panama disagrees with you.

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    4. Just look up Panama and their new position on the gun laws there. They have a new plan to stop or at least severely curtail the large crime rate their. You wont like it.

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    5. By all means New, give up your American citizenship and move to Panama, because obviously you love Panama. .

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  2. And what kind of "gun control" law would have prevented this?

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    1. Trick question. We can never work backwards like that from a single incident. But, to humor your inane question, prohibiting the sale of gun parts, or at least the essential parts like receivers, except by licensed gun dealers, might do the trick.

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    2. . . . prohibiting the sale of gun parts, or at least the essential parts like receivers, except by licensed gun dealers, might do the trick.

      But such parts can be built by people who want guns, and it's getting easier all the time.

      You. Can't. Stop. It.

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    3. And how do you define an "essential part"? A recoil spring is pretty essential. Do you want to make people get a background check, psyche evaluation, eye test, etc. to buy a friggin spring?

      Ironically, some parts I can think of that are not essential to the operation of a firearm are the things that will get you thrown in prison in states which ban "assault weapons".

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    4. "But such parts can be built by people who want guns"

      Brwahahahahahahaha. Did you mean anyone who wants guns or everyone who wants guns?

      I'm sure Billy Bob down Texas way can just whip up any parts he wants out in the shed.

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    5. Did you mean anyone who wants guns or everyone who wants guns?

      The entire thrust of this article is that the gun used in the crime was made by the user, rather than bought. Hence my "inane question," as you so oddly described it, of what "gun control" law could have prevented this violent crime.

      I'm sure Billy Bob down Texas way can just whip up any parts he wants out in the shed.

      Not really sure how an aspiring home gun-maker's name would affect his ability to build gun parts, and I'm also puzzled as to why geography would make much difference. Would your hypothetical "Billy Bob down Texas way" face some gun-making handicap that "Mahmoudy Bob down Pakistan way" does not?

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  3. As long as gun loons continue to break the law, nothing will stop them, except to put them all in jail.

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    1. As was well described in the article Anon, the dead guy didn't break any law until he murdered his girlfriend. And then the self inflicted Capitol punishment was implemented.

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    2. Nice of you to conveniently forget about the 19 year old he killed before he killed himself. I guess murder to you is not breaking the law. Typical for a criminal, kill crazy, gun loon like you.

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    3. Anon, look again at the first sentence of my comment and you'll see I didn't forget.

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    4. No kill crazy lying gun loon, you look at the murder and explain why you support gun criminals.

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    5. Which is why it should be illegal, so kill crazy gun loons like you can't claim his kill method was legal. Amazing, you actually look for ways it's legal to kill.

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