Just kidding:
The use of firearms to kill people remains at historic lows in Australia, and well below gun-related murder in other countries, the Australian Institute of Criminology says.
Statistics to be published next month show that 12 per cent of Australian homicides in 2007-08 were performed with firearms.
The use of handguns has reduced dramatically. About half of all murders with firearms were committed with handguns in 2006-07, but this fell to 20 per cent the following year.
Yep, less people were killed with guns in that year than the previous year. Did that law change the overall number of people dying every year, or just the number dying from gunshot wounds?
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“Statistics to be published next month show that 12 per cent of Australian homicides in 2007-08 were performed with firearms.”
So? Is that what you care about? How people are killed, instead of the fact that they are killed? Australia has less total murders than the US, why don’t you just stick to that as your “proof”?
Also note that gun control hasn’t stopped in Australia. They are still after them mate’s guns. From the article:
“The killing of two brothers near Newcastle on Sunday, allegedly with a .38 calibre handgun, which is classified as a prohibited weapon, raised questions about the effectiveness of rules to limit gun ownership, said the chairwoman of the National Coalition for Gun Control, Samantha Lee.”
Also note they have moved beyond going after “illegal guns”, and are now after more rules to limit gun ownership period.
Anon:
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As you can see overall homicide numbers have been declining for nearly two decades.
TS: I knew you'd respond like that. You're the type that calls global warming a hoax because there was a record snowfall in Alaska.
Jadegold: “I knew you'd respond like that. You're the type that calls global warming a hoax because there was a record snowfall in Alaska.”
ReplyDeleteAnd you’re the type who would blame global warming on SUVs. Note that in the global warming argument it is best to use long term global temperature trends and not try to correlate local SUV sales with percentage drop in that region’s temperature.
Care to comment on why they are still asking for more gun control in Australia? They are well past what our gun controller’s say they want.
Jadegold: “As you can see overall homicide numbers have been declining for nearly two decades.”
Just like here.
TS:
ReplyDeleteActually, US homicide rates have remained fairly constant over the past 10 years. In 2000, the homicide rate was 5.5--in 2009, it was 5.4. It did hit 5.7 in 2003 and 2006.
OTOH, Australia's homicide rate has shown steady declines over the past decade. It's currently 1.2 down from a high of 1.57 in 2000.
The fact you ardently wish to avoid is the homicide rate. Why is it you are almost 5 times more likely to be a homicide victim in the US as Australia?
Jade, first you post a link to show Australia’s homicides since 1990. I answer that we had the same drop, so you change the parameters to start at 2000. Nice. July is the height of cherry-picking season you know. I’ll remind you this is the same tactic that your other mortal enemy (the climate change denier) uses. Isolate a patch of data to suit your agenda. Still, the best you can do is talk about a 10 year period of hovering around a 40 year low when by all your predictions we should have 40 year highs. If the fact that USA had a sharper initial drop vs. Australia’s slow and steady is your evidence for more gun control, then by all means- go for it. Tell the Brady’s in Part 4 how they should call for Australia level gun control. If you believe it- speak it.
ReplyDeleteJadegold: “The fact you ardently wish to avoid is the homicide rate.”
What? I brought it up here- four posts earlier. Read it.
Jadegold: “Why is it you are almost 5 times more likely to be a homicide victim in the US as Australia?”
Reality is I am probably just as unlikely in either place because I don’t live a lifestyle that makes me prone to being murdered. If it is “you” in the figurative sense, I would ask why you are 5X more likely to be murdered in Brazil than in the US.
I’ll preemptively remind you (to save your tender carpal tunnel from typing your nauseating typical response) that my argument is that there is no correlation- not that gun control causes crime.
TS: It's funny that you accuse me of cherry-picking when I use data spanning 10 years time--when you point to a single event that happened recently and attempt to use it to show Australia gun violence is out of control.
ReplyDeleteJadegold: "...when you point to a single event that happened recently and attempt to use it to show Australia gun violence is out of control."
ReplyDeleteWhen did I do that? Show me.
Ah, I see where you got that from. My quote above from Samantha Lee was to show that gun control hasn’t stopped in Australia- because THEY still point to single incidents to call for more regulations. Note that she is questioning the effectiveness of their current gun laws. So while you claim how well Australia’s laws are working, you have the director for the National Coalition for Gun Control saying they are ineffective and need more bans.
ReplyDeleteYou would not have mistaken what I said if you answered the previous two times when I asked why Australia is still asking for more gun control.
The reason Australia--and other nations--ask for more regulation is because they deem gun violence unacceptable.
ReplyDeleteBut there is no slippery slope, right? The NRA made that up.
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