How many murder suicides, how many law enforcement killings, how many individual shootings have we had so far this year already? How many threats with guns, how many carjackings, how many robberies, all with guns that were legal at some point in time, and which became crime guns.
They weren't all stolen; I doubt most of them were.
And how very few firearm self defense stories have we had so far that were justified killings?
I've seen one so far this year. ONE.
From MSNBC.com: Gunman kills 3, wounds 1 at NC lumber company
And I wouldn't be surprised if this gunman was absolutely convinced that he needed that gun and that he was doing the right thing with it, that he had a moral imperative to act as he did. STAR, N.C. -- A man described by witnesses as a disgruntled worker opened fire Friday at a central North Carolina lumber company, killing three people and injuring one before shooting himself, local media reported.
Montgomery County Sheriff Dempsey Owens told WXII 12 that deputies were called to the McBride Lumber Company just after 6 a.m.
He said deputies found four people shot inside the business, three of whom died. One worker was airlifted to a hospital.
The suspect, who fled the scene, was identified by workers at the firm, allowing deputies to track him to his house, WFMY-TV reported.
Owens told WXII that the suspect had shot himself and was airlifted to a hospital. His condition was not immediately known.
WRAL.com identified the suspect as Ronald Dean Davis, 50.
Witnesses reported that Davis was a disgruntled employee, the sheriff told WXII.
Owens said the the shooter left a note, but did not give the details of its contents, according to WFMY.
A man who answered the phone at the company confirmed that there was a shooting but would not give details, according to NBC News.
McBride Lumber Company is a second-generation family-owned business that was started in the 1950s, according to its website. The company specializes in the manufacture of custom pallets for a variety of businesses, including furniture, automotive, masonry and textile.
This is a developing news story. Check back for more details.
NBC News, NBC affiliate WXII 12 and msnbc.com staff contributed to this report.
One of the many problems with having so many firearms in our violent, gun culture society is that we have to trust the judgment of those with guns, when clearly, as is evident from all the murder/suicides every week, and the other gun violence which continues to put us statistically far higher than other similar countries without all these guns, there are a lot of people who do not make good decisions. Those guns result in innocent people having NO choice, NO safety from the nut with a gun, NO FREEDOM.
NO BASIC HUMAN RIGHT, because that right is taken from them by a person - usually, but not always, male - who has convinced himself he needs to have a gun and be able to use it when he thinks it is appropriate.
Given the clearly demonstrated evidence that there are too many people who make bad choices with their firearms, either through these incidents, or accidents, or careless trading, selling, or giving of their firearms to lawfully prohibited people, this quantity of guns as they are currently held in our population is clearly a bad idea, an idea which robs other people of THEIR rights to LIFE, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and FREEDOM FROM FEAR.
This gun culture, as it is now, was never envisioned by our founding fathers, or the philosophical sources that formed their thinking. They would not approve it, condone it in the name of some 'right', or continue with it as it is now. They engaged in philosophical exercises, but they had their feet firmly in the real world, not the abstract.
They weren't stupid. They didn't accept results like this. They relied on objective evidence, and adapted, grew, progressed and evolved in their thinking.
All of us are a mix of good and evil; it is foll to expect that good will always be in control of the decision making processes of someone with a gun when so often those thought processes are flawed, and when too often it is not good that wins the internal debate of the gunman over the decision to harm themselves and others.
To make any assumption that is inconsistent with those facts, the objective evidence, would not be philosophical. It would simply be stupid, and irrational, and impaired by sever cognitive bias.
Let's discuss your cognitive biases here:
ReplyDelete1. Safety is a higher priorty than freedom.
2. Americans can be controlled.
As a matter of values, I disagree with the first item. A perfectly safe world is impossible, and if it were, it would be undesirable.
As for the second item, that is unrealistic. We are a rebellious people and can only be pushed so far. Besides, there are too many guns in this country for your solutions to work.
Wrong on both counts.
ReplyDelete1. Absolute freedom is what's not possible. If you want to look at it as a balance with safety on one side and freedom on the other, we just need to tip it a bit more towards safety.
2. Americans are already controlled. Do you deny it?