The self-appointed protectors of the flag should be in jail for what they did to the flag-burner. Burning the flag itself is not a crime, if I remember correctly, but the guy may have done other things wrong. Perhaps the flag was on private property, or whatever. But what was done in retaliation was seriously criminal.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
He stole a flag that some vets died for (not metaphorically either, they actually died under that flag according to the report) from a VFW hall and he burned it.
ReplyDeleteI'd say he was lucky that they punished him so lightly and maybe he learned a valuable lesson: don't mess with old veterans.
When a neighbor kid breaks your window do you call the cops, or work a resolution out with the neighbor?
ReplyDeleteorlin sellers
They committed assault & battery. Stupid fucks. I'm an old veteran, I know the difference between being pissed off at some moron for doing something distasteful to me and physically attacking them.
ReplyDelete"Alcohol does strange things to people", no shit, Sherlock. The Post Commander is a disgrace to all that he purports to believe in regarding "fighting for the freedom" of this or any other country. Stupid fuck.
It is interesting that he committed pre-meditated assault. Why, instead of physically attacking the flag burner not just call the cops and have him arrested for theft/vandalism. His actions were arrogant and shameful. Fuck him and every other self-appointed patriot who thinks that "destroying the village, in order to save it" is somehow a laudable course of action.
"When a neighbor kid breaks your window do you call the cops, or work a resolution out with the neighbor?
orlin sellers"
Do you see physically attacking someone as the action one takes to "work out a resolution". You are apparently unfamiliar with the previous comments of some of the idiot gunzloonz about how THEY would deal with an "attack" on their persons/property. Here's a hint; the "work out a resolution" part would involve firearms.
Well said, democommie.
DeleteFirst democommie, This has nothing to do about "gunz" or "gunzloonz". Second, Yea flag burning is legal, if you burn your own flag! Not steal one and burn it.So thats descrution of property and larceny. Third If you listened to the WHOLE segment the "victim" volunteered so that negates any claim of wrong doing. It just burns me when you publish stuff like this and don't put the whole story.
ReplyDelete"Second, Yea flag burning is legal, if you burn your own flag! Not steal one and burn it.So thats descrution of property and larceny. Third If you listened to the WHOLE segment the "victim" volunteered so that negates any claim of wrong doing."
ReplyDeleteWhich proves that he--and you, btw--are just as fucking stupid as the post commander.
I have a brother-in-law who is a two tour Vietnam veteran, reflexively rightwing and "patriotic" in a jingoisitc and exceptionalist way. He and I seriously disagree on the subject of politics and foreign relations (as well as abortion, welfare and a host of other issues). He would die of shame before he'd violate the principles for which over a million U.S. military personnel have died for.
The object of the exercise by the Post Commander was to humiliate the person who "disrespected the flag". What a load of bullshit. He was pissed off and extracted revenge. His behavior is the antithesis of reason--and patriotism. Learn a little history.
Wow real mature man. I didn't say that what the post commander did was "right". MikeB alleges that the Post Commander committed a criminal act. So prove it. Call the cops and file a complaint. And I don't know why you told me about your brother-in-law. It has nothing to do with this conversation
DeleteDemoculo said, "I'm an old veteran,"
ReplyDeleteYou have to be pretty fucking stupid to join the military whose only purpose is to go kill people that have done us no harm. You just lost any credibility to speak about guns violence, dumb ass.
orlin sellers
Orlin, I don't follow why he would lose credibility for being a vet.
DeleteMikeb, when you willingly join an organization that tortures, murders, assassinates, bullies, and terrorizes innocent people around the world, you lose the right to criticize anyone else for any gun violence they may commit.
Deleteorlin sellers
C'mon Orlin. Most of us who have served in the military joined when we were kids. That's why I oppose all that bullshit patriotism some of them like to throw around, as if they were motivated by love of the flag and country, born heroes. Usually the young recruit has other motives.
DeleteBy the same token it cannot be held against him later like you're doing. Military service when we were young is pretty meaningless later on, at least in most cases.
Mikeb, it sounds like you think I should just blow it off as youthful indiscretion. Are you willing to blow off what that kid did in Ohio the same way?
DeleteThe entire purpose of the military is to train killers. The entire purpose of it is death and destruction to some, usually fictional, imagined enemy and sometimes for oil that doesn't belong to us. It doesn't matter if you end up on a battlefield or in a radar room, you are part of that organization, a clog in the overall plan.
You mention other motivators. I'm guessing you mean things like schooling, pensions, WA medical etc. If you ever get a chance, read Mark Twain's "Purchasing Civic Virtue". You will see that what he predicted would happen when he opposed President Grant's Executive Order 75 has in fact come to pass.
My position on the military and those who willingly join is solid and sound. However, I do give a pass to any poor bastard that was drafted.
orlin sellers
I don't think I said anything about blowing it off. I think damaging private property should be handled by the police not in the way these guys did.
DeleteAbout the military, what about the poor bastards who join out of desperation, no work, no income, only way out?
Note that what happened here was a man committed an act of vandalism and was then, it appears, offered a choice. I imagine that one choice was to be turned over to the police, while another was to accept public humiliation. Perhaps the method of punishment chosen here is better than the official one. The man is left with no criminal record, and the matter appears settled.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the link Mikeb.
ReplyDeleteSince the individual had the decision to make about his own punishment and chose public humiliation, I think the case is closed. And as Greg says, the guy won't have a criminal record hanging over his head. Plus, he won't lose his ability to someday own a gun. ( Just thought I'd throw that in there. ;) )
Mike G.
Mike G.:
ReplyDeleteIt actually doesn't matter at all what the guy agreed to. It was assault. If he gets away with it because of local public opinion? it's still assault.
Orlin Sellers:
Fuck you.
Sockpuppet:
You don't mind if I call you that, do you? You cowardly piece of shit.
The post commander is an asshole. You're an asshole too, if you agree that publicly humiliating people for disagreeing with you is okay. I mentioned my brother-in-law because he is also a post commander, one that hasn't let his positions of authority (such as it is) get in the way of his ethics and integrity. I know you don't understand how that works, but that's your problem, not mine.
Greg Camp:
I can see why this "solution" appeals to you. You're just such a man's man and "vigilante justice" appeals to you gunzloonz.
HA its funny getting a reaction out of you. Soo hilarious. I am glad you made it clear (finally) why you mentioned your brother-in-law. Has this whole situtaion wierd. yes. The Commander is not the police but niether are you. As far as the article goes there has been no action by Law Enforcement in thier area. you don't have to be a little whiney bitch or anything.
DeleteDemoculo said:"Orlin Sellers:
DeleteFuck you.
Sockpuppet:
You don't mind if I call you that, do you? You cowardly piece of shit.
The post commander is an asshole. You're an asshole too, if you agree that publicly humiliating people for disagreeing with you is okay. I mentioned my brother-in-law because he is also a post commander, one that hasn't let his positions of authority (such as it is) get in the way of his ethics and integrity. I know you don't understand how that works, but that's your problem, not mine."
Let's see, you join the biggest organization of torturers, murderers, assassins, bullies, terrorist in the world and I'm the asshole. And somehow, by some extreme stretch of the imagination your brother-in-law who was a member of this terrorist organization is full of ethics and integrity.
Do you hear yourself?
Your flaccid remarks are a joke, an unfunny joke that no one laughs at. But you are a preposterous comedy that everyone laughs at.
orlin sellers
Anonylouse@3/4/12 6:30PM.
ReplyDeleteAnother guy so tough that he won't identify himself, even with a blognomen. I really have to laugh at a guy who's so tough that he has to have a gun and so brave that he lives in a land where his "rights" are GUARANTEED by the Constitution, backed by "the biggest organization of torturers, murderers, assassins, bullies, terrorist in the world". So, you're one of those "posse commitatus" shitheads, in addition to being a clueless asshole. Congratulations.
Democulo, you might wanna get you eyeglass prescription checked so you can see how ridiculous that response was.
Deleteorlin sellers
I think he just rambles on and as long as he insults everyone who disagrees with him he thinks he made a point.
Delete"Another guy so tough that he won't identify himself, even with a blognomen"
ReplyDeleteUnless your legal name is Democommie, then fuck off with the anonymous shit. You are just as cowardly hiding behind some made up name.