Another bit of misinformation from the NRA is that universal background checks will lead to a registry of gun owners. The Brady Law explicitly bans the creation of a gun owner registry, and under that law instant criminal background checks have been made on over 100 million gun sales in the last decade without leading to the formation of a gun registry. Here again, misinformation has paralyzed effective gun safety protections. The vast majority of responsible gun owners support background checks because they know that the only people who will be negatively impacted are criminals and those who sell them firearms.
Saturday, March 30, 2013
Would Universal Background Checks Lead to Registration?
This Huffington Post article outlines some of the major NRA lies, including this one:
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Do we see something here that's suggestive? "The vast majority of responsible gun owners..." That's cute. Define responsible as doing what you say--which is cherry picking from the total group of gun owners--then claim that the vast majority supports your position. Well, gee, the vast majority of astrologers believe that the stars influence our actions. And so?
ReplyDeleteOn the question of registration, consider the fact that every time a background check is run and a sale completed, there's a form that goes into a book which is subject to inspection by the ATF. That's a de facto registration. Your side has admitted that background checks are basically useless without registration. Your own position depends on it, as you've told us before. One of the reasons that I love gun shows is that I can buy guns that you don't know about. Those are guns that you can't easily confiscate.
If your side would realize that we're not fools, you'd be a whole different class of dangerous.
Greg, our side did not admit it would be "basically useless without registration." Our side keeps telling you quite the opposite, that background checks will not depend on registration to be effective. The reason: most gun owners are law abiding and would comply with the new regulations.
DeleteAnd the people who would comply are not the ones who are a problem.
DeleteYou keep telling us that we're idiots for thinking that background checks will lead to registration because the law prohibits that.
ReplyDeleteBut you and your side constantly bitch about how that cripple's the ATF. DOJ admits that background checks will do NOTHING unless paired with registration. You say the same thing, and you say that you won't rest until you get registration.
Given all of this, it's in our best interest to oppose your background check proposal and tell you to spindle the bill and insert it where the sun don't shine.
" DOJ admits that background checks will do NOTHING unless paired with registration. "
DeleteI think you're making up that "NOTHING" part. Plus, it wasn't the DOJ itself, it wasn't an official spokesman talking about official policy.
You silly gun owners insist on seeing yourselves as the victims of persecution even if you have to make it up.
But Mikeb, notice that you didn't respond to Anonymous's point. Even you have said that registration is necessary to make gun control work. We will never allow that, and we will fight even this background check bill. You might as well give up. You have the states that you already had. You'll get no more.
DeleteWhat I consider proper gun control is far stricter than what's being proposed by the Obama administration. We're talking about what THEY want. And that's backgroung checks without registration.
DeleteYou expect us to trust what Obama, et al. say they want? "Mother, should I trust the government..."
DeleteMother, should I run for President...?
DeleteOf course, Mikeb's going to help build the wall.
DeleteIt was a DOJ memo that they released, and it said that background checks would have negligible effects without registration.
DeleteAs for your attempt to divert to what Obama wants vs. what you want, no dice. Politicians always lie about what they want. They ask for one thing when they want something bigger. You're the better picture of what he wants. If we give him background checks, in a year or two with you (and your ilk) lobbying, he'll be back wanting the other half.
We're not going to give the mouse the cookie to start with.
Would Universal Background Checks lead to arrests over the tens of millions of instances of new federal felonies?
ReplyDeleteThere is an easy way to remove the concern about potential registration in conjunction with universal background checks. Have the authors of said bills modify them to eliminate any information identifying the firearms they are buying. If a person is prohibited from possessing a firearm, they won't get to buy it if rejected. If they pass the check, why would the government need to know?
ReplyDeleteThe fact that the gun control freaks will never agree to what you just said is proof enough that they have goals they're not willing to admit to.
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