Media Matters
The NRA's newly launched campaign to oppose a California legislative proposal to ban lead ammunition for hunting, Hunt for Truth, has already been pulled from the Internet along with an accompanying NRA press release announcing the initiative. Using archived webpages, Media Mattersdocuments the NRA's repeated denial that lead ammunition poses a danger to wildlife, despite scientific evidence that lead ammunition threatens the survival of the critically endangered California condor.
Now there's a scientific and unbiased description of the lead in bullets, "fairly non-toxic."
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
The biggest problem in years past, in my understanding, came from the use of lead shot in waterfowl hunting, so steel shot and shot of other compositions were exempted from the federal definition of "armor piercing" ammo so that they would be legal to use, and now you must use one of these non-lead shots when hunting waterfowl.
ReplyDeleteSo, are yall willing to allow similar experimentation with alternative materials in other ammo, or are you going to continue using this lead issue as a sneak attack to institute a Catch-22?
You're seeing conspiracies where there are none.
DeleteIn other words, Mikeb, you know you've been caught, and you have no better answer.
DeleteGreg, what the fuck "been caught" are you talking about? Have you forgotten I'm the one who has proven the be capable of admitting when I'm wrong, unlike you.
DeleteWhy does it take a conspiracy? All it takes is the fact that the groups on your side attack at any point they can. They've won various laws banning lots of compositions harder than lead as "armor piercing," meanwhile others have been going after lead bullets. Others go after compounds in primers and gunpowder, others go after various types of guns--some are too small, too large, too expensive, too cheap, etc.
DeleteThere's no overarching conspiracy, just a strategy to attack everything in pieces, and to never say no to one of your elements of gun control. It's just too bad for us that the end game results in nothing being legal if each group on your side gets its way.
Of course, if you want to be different, you could call for banning lead, and also call for the bill doing so to open up other bullet compositions for the public.
Mikeb, you've been shown how a ban on lead bullets would effectively ban ammunition under the ban on armor-piercing rounds. We know what your side is up to. There's no point in denying reality.
DeleteI haven't been shown anything. You claim that in your lying biased way of denying and claiming all kinds of bullshit.
DeleteDo you really think the producers of these products would not step up production of the alternatives? Soon the price would drop back down to where it always was, so your whining about price and convenience would also be bogus.
Mikeb, you missed again. Don't you get it? Metals other than lead either are considered armor-piercing or are regulated in ways that would ban them from use in rifle and handgun bullets.
DeleteFor example, earlier this year or last, production was halted on a line of bullets made of a soft alloy of brass--they were designed to mushroom just like any other bullet, but to hold together just a little bit longer than lead so that they could be used in hunting boars and other animals with tough hides (same reason some lead rounds are made with Very hard alloys of lead).
DeleteBecause these bullets were brass rather than lead, they fit the definition of armor piercing and production of them was halted.
My problem with this is that they already enacted a ban on lead bullets for hunting in condor territory 16 years ago. They saw no improvement in lead poisoning of condors. Typical gun control response- if something doesn't work, do it harder. Of course if it did work, that would be an excuse to do more of it as well.
ReplyDeleteCondors eat carrion. Wounded animals and birds come in from outside the condor areas.
DeleteIt's sort of like the background check requirement at gun shows. Private sales continue to feed the criminal world with guns. But when we want to expand the coverage you pretend no gun control laws work and we just want to double up anyway.
It's disingenuous of you.
Ah, the "lead pipeline" of carrion smuggling animals. There's always an excuse why it didn't work and why we need more. It's not like it worked to reduce lead poisoning, but some in still getting in. It did nothing.
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