Is that a deer on the side of the road?
No, actually; it's a robot planted by the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission, and on Saturday morning a Florida man pulled over, got out of his car, andshot it, prompting police officers to emerge from a nearby hiding spot and charge him with shooting deer during closed season, discharging a firearm from a roadway, and taking deer from a right-of-way.
"He crossed a ditch and walked up toward the fence carrying a rifle," the report stated. "He placed the rifle on the fence to steady himself and shot at the replica," hitting it in the neck.
The man was arrested, saying he knew that hunting season was closed and that shooting deer from a roadway is illegal, and was released Sunday after posting $1,120 in bonds. He will appear in court December 12, facing a year in jail and $2,500 in fines if convicted.
“Your word is ‘entrapment’.”
ReplyDelete“Umm… could you use it in a sentence?”
“If the police bait a citizen into committing a crime, it is called ‘entrapment’.”
“Entrapment…. E-N-T-R-A-P-M-E-N-T, entrapment.”
Stupidity... if the citizen commits the crime, that is stupidity.
DeleteWhy are gunsucks so fucking stupid, anyway?
Yes, the police are guilty of entrapment. But the stupid and irresponsible gun owner is still guilty of his criminal actions. Am I right?
DeleteAnd we set rules for our police because we don’t want them acting this way. That is why charges get dismissed when they entrap someone or violate the 4th amendment by searching a house without a warrant. What do you say when they search a house illegal but find cocaine? Bad laws be damned?
DeleteAll of a sudden you're like a slick defense attorney trying to get your guilty client off. Normally you'd oppose that, but not when it affects a fellow gun lover, eh?
DeleteWhat the hell are you talking about? Have I ever shown inconsistency regarding the 4th amendment, entrapment, etc.?
DeleteI'm talking about your agreeing with those who lament the soft treatment of criminals. Have you never endorsed that sentiment? But when it comes to gun owners doing something wrong, you're all Constitutional about it.No, TS, I doubt very much if you've been completely consistent in your positions. How could you be, being as biased as you are about gun rights?
DeleteI don't favor gun rights over other rights. I'm a strong supporter of human rights.
DeleteAnd Mike, saying we let convicted violent criminal out of prison too soon (who went through proper due process)- does not mean cops should ignore the rules, and constitutional protections.
DeleteEntrapment is the cry of a guilty person. If it was plastic, or real the deer season was not open. We know how you encourage breaking the law.
ReplyDeleteThere are laws against entrapment that the police must follow. Are you encouraging the police to break the law?
DeleteObviously this is not a case of the police breaking the law. Why do you defend irresponsible behavior with guns?
DeleteSo entrapment is one of those “bad laws be damned”, just like how you tagged this post?
DeleteNo, the "bad law" referred to in this post was the one that said you gun nuts should respect the rules about when and where you can shoot animals.
DeleteUh huh, and should police respect entrapment laws, or is that a bad law that should be damned like preemption?
DeleteObviously this is not a violation of the entrapment laws, as you understand them. It's a year or two ago that I first posted a story about this. Would it still be going on if it were the terrible violation of law that you say it is?
DeleteTerminator V: Bambi's Revenge.
ReplyDeleteWhat they need to do is put a replica gun out there to get the gunsucks to stop and try to steal the gun. We need to get more gunsucks committing felonies. Commit a felony and lose your guns, gunsucks. Man, I love that!!
ReplyDeleteNew name, same old bullshit. In answer to your question above, did you notice that 99.9% or more of American gun owners did nothing wrong today?
DeleteI really don't think the percentage is that high, Greg. "Did nothing wrong" is a pretty low bar. I'd say it's about 50%
DeleteDo nothing wrong is a high bar, and as always, here you are making up numbers without proof. My evidence is the number of deaths and injuries from gunfire, divided by the number of gun owners.
DeleteThe number of deaths and injuries is just the tip of the iceberg of "wrongs" done with guns.
DeleteTo deaths and injuries, I'll add threats of violence, and those are the sum of wrongs done with guns.
DeleteNo, Greg, I'm afraid if doesn't end there. But, at least you admit the threats. Can we use the 90% factor that you guys use for DGUs then?
DeleteSee, you want to add in all manner of things that rational people don't include, and you want to discredit things that rational people accept.
DeleteSo to be clear, when cops park “bait cars” in poor black neighborhoods with the door open and the engine running- it is totally peachy with you.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASpWuvW9ccw
No, not totally peachy, but I would still be able to look past the shabby behavior of the cops and admit the car thief was in the wrong. This is what you apparently cannot do with the poor persecuted gun owner who shot the fake deer.
DeleteYour example also brings up our numerous stories about thieves taking guns from unlocked cars. You, if I remember correctly, agreed with Greg's vehement position that one cannot blame the gun owner whose gun was stolen. Am I right? But, in this case you want to blame the cops. Biased people cannot help but be inconsistent.
Out of curiosity, since that isn't an actual deer, poaching isn't the crime here. The man should be charged with destruction of property. and the like.
ReplyDeleteOr they can come up with a new crime: soliciting poaching. That's what they did when they realized you can't charge the john with a crime unless he has sex with the cop.
DeleteTS, I'm impressed on how expert you are in protecting law-breakers. You must be able to get away with just about anything yourself. It's guys like you that give responsible gun owners a bad name.
DeleteThat comment isn't worthy even of you, Mikeb.
DeleteDo you really feel that way about me now, Mike?
DeleteI am the one respecting rule of law here in showing that cops have rules they must follow too. Why don't you respect those rules? I gave you non-gun examples too with the "bait cars" and prostitution stings. No it's not just about gun owners. Do you support "bait cars"?
TS, this fake deer trap wouldn't still be going on if it were a violation of the law. You don't like it, I see, but that's not enough. Since it obviously is within the law, since it's still being used after some years, what do you say about the irresponsible idiot that couldn't resist shooting at it when it was not deer season and he was firing from a place that's not allowed? In this entire thread you've refused to budge beyond what YOU SAY the cops did wrong as an excuse to avoid condemning the poor persecuted gun owner. That's your bias.
DeleteMike, I never said a word about the hunter. You've made assumptions, and are obviously trying to pull something out of me, so here it goes. Yes, he was wrong to shoot at the fake deer. So now what? He did something illegal, but the cops obtained that information illegally. That usually results in dropped charged once the lawyers get involved. What do you think should happen? You seem to be taking an "ends justify the means" stance- even with the bait cars. Let's look at other examples: the cops obtaining incriminating evidence from a search without a warrant. What should happen? Or the cops got information from an illegal wire tap? Or the cops got a confession out of a suspect through torture? Now what? The guy's guilty, but they tortured him to find that out. Does condoning that behavior make me pro-criminal?
DeleteYou said the bait cars don't sit well with you. What's the difference between a bait car and a bait deer? Bait cars still happen despite it being a textbook case of entrapment, because there are no real consequences for doing it. Charges get dropped, and they go do it again. There are probably enough people who don't " lawyer up" to justify this illegal activity. It's easy for the cops. Plus in the case of the bait car, they made a TV show out of it. So even if they let everyone go the first time they say the word "entrapment", they still have a motivation to keep doing it.
For the record, though both these cases are clearly entrapment, the bait cars are even more flagrant than the bait deer. The reason being that cars aren't typically stolen that way (a car idling with the door open). So the cops are creating a situation where the thief might not otherwise steal the car. That's a big no-no.
DeleteHow's that for showing my pro-gun bias?
You've gone too far. Even I don't see much difference between bait cars and bait deer.
DeleteWhat I'm not convinced about is their illegality.
What is entrapment in your mind, then? Can you give a better case than "bait cars"?
DeleteHunters are well aware of this method by police. It is no surprise and not entrapment. The police don't force hunters to take an illegal shot. Police know hunters are breaking the law and devised a method to catch them. Good, that's their job.
DeleteLook at what they are doing. They literally trap people inside of the bait cars by remotely shutting down the engine and locking the doors. It's entrapment in both the literal and figurative sense.
DeleteTS, what the hell does MY definition of entrapment have to do with anything? If the bait deer were included in the local entrapment statutes they wouldn't be able to keep using it. Get over it. Can we talk about the irresponsible hunter now?
DeleteThe numbers of murders compared to the total population is small. Do we eliminate murder as a law, or just not prosecute murder?
ReplyDeleteMurder is a harm. Poaching is a harm. Owning and carrying guns are not harms.
DeleteNice NRA talking point, but as usual, you won't answer the question.
DeleteI answered your question. You asked a false dichotomy, and I explained how you're wrong.
Deletei agree with Steve, you are a lying coward.
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