Does it really matter what Shelly Zimmerman said on her 911 call? After the police arrived she and her father started changing her story. It went from having a gun to didn't really see a gun for instance. Then they formally declined to press charges. Once the declined to press charges, It was done.
My opinion isn't relevant Mike. Every citizen gets or should get the benefit of due process before their rights are taken from them. For Zimmerman, that hasn't happened yet. Would I be comfortable hanging around him given his recent behavior? No, I wouldn't. I personally believe that looking at his behavior post-trial that he is showing some signs of PTSD from his having to defend himself, and taking a life. This happens to soldiers and police officers too. The difference is that now it is more acceptable to seek treatment and be able to carry on with your life. Zimmerman seeking such treatment was likely not a viable option because it would have likely been used during the legal proceedings against him. Also keep in mind that the current mindset is starting to devolve back to where someone who seeks treatment for mental health issues is looked at with doubt. Something like and in some ways worse than a felon. Some are suggesting that the rules regarding someone needing to be adjudicated to be prohibited from owning firearms should be changed to be able to make people who have received treatment prohibited also. That isn't a good path to follow.
Yeah, poor George. He had the terrible trauma of having murdered an unarmed man and due to circumstances beyond his control could not get the help he needed to deal with it. And if it weren't for the gun-control witch hunt, he'd probably be a well-adjusted and safe gun owner today.
Anonymous, stop being tedious. I didn't stick up for him. I said he deserves his day in court if there's evidence that he did something wrong. That's the legal system, not favoring any one person.
Why don't you stop promoting criminal activity? Why don't you answer Steve's question? Explain why you are not a criminal, even though your words say you are.
It's not Shelley this time around. You're boy is in trouble again. He is a rather cavalier and compulsive liar. That's fairly pussy calling dispatch when the officers are knocking on the door to come in. That raises the obvious question that he may have lied about his attack on Martin. Hmmm...Could be!
My apologies if I was mistaken. When Mike titled it as the Zimmerman family and marked them his and hers I thought he was revisiting the previous event. Can't really say he's my boy either other than me speaking on everyone seeming to be displeased with the courts not going the way they want. I've been trying heartily to avoid articles until there is actually hard data. Having to hear repeatedly about such transgressions such as his speeding or getting his windows tinted too dark gets old. Whenever there is a crime committed, everyone there should be looked at skeptically, which is what the police typically do. They look to see if physical evidence backs up a claim, or if it is backed up by another witness. The burden of proof in court doesn't change though.
In Zimmerman's 911 call he says the police are screaming to let them in. He tells the dispatcher he just does not want to talk with them, he has nothing to say. Reality: He had blocked the entrance to the home and police had to force their way in. The police were already on scene before he called 911, so why didn't he tell his story to police, instead of calling 911? Like most criminals, they work the system and the police. This guy belongs in jail!
Anon, I must disagree. Zimmerman has only just been charged. The judge merely set conditions for his release on bail. And the conditions are pretty standard for such offenses. The process has a long way to go. Plus there is now likely a criminal and civil component to the process. And it will likely become even more muddled with the discovery that his ex-girlfriend and her mother were trying to cash in on promoting a tell all interview to the highest bidder for weeks before this event.
"WKMG legal analyst Luis Calderon said the pursuit of that interview could help Zimmerman's case. "The defense could make it out to be nothing more nothing less than her doing this for some financial motive or some publicity," Calderon said. WKMG's report that the women were seeking money for interviews with national news organizations was confirmed to the Sentinel by one such organization."
Does it really matter what Shelly Zimmerman said on her 911 call? After the police arrived she and her father started changing her story. It went from having a gun to didn't really see a gun for instance. Then they formally declined to press charges.
ReplyDeleteOnce the declined to press charges, It was done.
I think this is a new different story.
DeleteIf one cannot see Zimmerman has problems, that they are either dishonest, or stupid. He is the last one who should have a gun.
ReplyDeleteAnon,
DeleteThat is where due process in the criminal justice system comes in. That is how everyone's' rights are protected.
My right to be safe in society has taken a step. The judge took his guns away.
Deletess, is it you opinion that GZ is fit to own guns?
DeleteMy opinion isn't relevant Mike. Every citizen gets or should get the benefit of due process before their rights are taken from them. For Zimmerman, that hasn't happened yet.
DeleteWould I be comfortable hanging around him given his recent behavior? No, I wouldn't. I personally believe that looking at his behavior post-trial that he is showing some signs of PTSD from his having to defend himself, and taking a life.
This happens to soldiers and police officers too. The difference is that now it is more acceptable to seek treatment and be able to carry on with your life.
Zimmerman seeking such treatment was likely not a viable option because it would have likely been used during the legal proceedings against him.
Also keep in mind that the current mindset is starting to devolve back to where someone who seeks treatment for mental health issues is looked at with doubt. Something like and in some ways worse than a felon.
Some are suggesting that the rules regarding someone needing to be adjudicated to be prohibited from owning firearms should be changed to be able to make people who have received treatment prohibited also.
That isn't a good path to follow.
Zimmerman is one person, and each case involving him should be dealt with on the merits. But he is not all of us.
DeleteYeah, poor George. He had the terrible trauma of having murdered an unarmed man and due to circumstances beyond his control could not get the help he needed to deal with it. And if it weren't for the gun-control witch hunt, he'd probably be a well-adjusted and safe gun owner today.
DeleteBig surprise, Greg sticking up for a law breaker.
DeleteAnonymous, stop being tedious. I didn't stick up for him. I said he deserves his day in court if there's evidence that he did something wrong. That's the legal system, not favoring any one person.
DeleteWhy don't you stop promoting criminal activity? Why don't you answer Steve's question? Explain why you are not a criminal, even though your words say you are.
DeleteNo response from the coward.
DeleteIt's not Shelley this time around. You're boy is in trouble again. He is a rather cavalier and compulsive liar. That's fairly pussy calling dispatch when the officers are knocking on the door to come in. That raises the obvious question that he may have lied about his attack on Martin. Hmmm...Could be!
ReplyDeleteHi FJ,
DeleteMy apologies if I was mistaken. When Mike titled it as the Zimmerman family and marked them his and hers I thought he was revisiting the previous event. Can't really say he's my boy either other than me speaking on everyone seeming to be displeased with the courts not going the way they want.
I've been trying heartily to avoid articles until there is actually hard data. Having to hear repeatedly about such transgressions such as his speeding or getting his windows tinted too dark gets old.
Whenever there is a crime committed, everyone there should be looked at skeptically, which is what the police typically do. They look to see if physical evidence backs up a claim, or if it is backed up by another witness.
The burden of proof in court doesn't change though.
Like a lot of low-rent gun nuts, GZ changes families like other people change underwear.
DeleteIn Zimmerman's 911 call he says the police are screaming to let them in. He tells the dispatcher he just does not want to talk with them, he has nothing to say.
DeleteReality: He had blocked the entrance to the home and police had to force their way in. The police were already on scene before he called 911, so why didn't he tell his story to police, instead of calling 911? Like most criminals, they work the system and the police.
This guy belongs in jail!
Zim has had his process, and the judge took his guns away.
ReplyDeleteAnon,
DeleteI must disagree. Zimmerman has only just been charged. The judge merely set conditions for his release on bail. And the conditions are pretty standard for such offenses. The process has a long way to go.
Plus there is now likely a criminal and civil component to the process. And it will likely become even more muddled with the discovery that his ex-girlfriend and her mother were trying to cash in on promoting a tell all interview to the highest bidder for weeks before this event.
"WKMG legal analyst Luis Calderon said the pursuit of that interview could help Zimmerman's case. "The defense could make it out to be nothing more nothing less than her doing this for some financial motive or some publicity," Calderon said.
WKMG's report that the women were seeking money for interviews with national news organizations was confirmed to the Sentinel by one such organization."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-george-zimmerman-when-emails-become-news-20131120,0,2252808.post?track=rss