Racine police say two individuals have turned themselves in after a gun went off inside Burlington Coat Factory on Saturday, December 7th.
Police say a man and woman were shopping inside the store when the man took off his coat and handed it to the woman. At some point, police say a handgun fell out of the coat pocket, landed on the floor and a round was discharged.
Police say a metal fixture in the store was struck — but no one was injured.
Police say the man picked up the gun and both parties fled the store.
Images of the two were captured on surveillance video, and on Sunday, after the man and woman saw their photos online, they turned themselves in to Racine police.
Police say 34-year-old Marvin Jackson of Milwaukee, a valid CCW permit holder was arrested for recklessly endangering safety/negligent handling of a dangerous weapon.
As I've said before, I have definite issues with pocket carry. Holsters are much more secure.
ReplyDeleteAnd handing the gun in a coat over to someone else is a bad idea.
DeleteLet's not bring up Greg's erstwhile support of pocket carry.
DeleteIt's not pocket carry in itself that is the problem. It's doing it badly.
DeleteYou also told me a dropped gun going off, is rare, yet I keep reading stories, that they do.
DeleteAnonymous, do you believe every story you read? Learn about the designs of firearms before you accept claims about dropped guns.
DeleteCorrect Greg, besides not believing you because you are a known liar; I now will not believe what ss tells me, as you have just stated, he was lying to me. Thanks for that information.
DeleteThat's two posts in a row where they identified the carrier as having a CCW. I thought you said nobody is checking?
ReplyDeleteThese two are obviously cases in which some intrepid journalist picked up that interesting info. Officially no one is checking, and you guys like it that way. You're all about secrecy before and after these unfortunate incidents.
DeleteOfficially, officials are checking, but you deny the evidence of that.
DeleteWhat officials are they, Greg. Is there a special branch of the government assigned with this responsibility?
DeleteYes. It's called the police.
DeleteThe police are investigating every crime to see if the criminal has a concealed carry permit? Is that your story?
Delete"The police are investigating every crime to see if the criminal has a concealed carry permit?"
DeleteMike, if the man hadn't had a permit, he could have been charges with carrying without a permit. My guess is when there is a gun involved, they check. Is it always germane to the offense being investigated? Not always.
In Minnesota they do track illegal acts by permit holders, including those that don't involve firearms.
Mikeb, in many states, if the police pull you over on the highway, they know if you have a carry license or not. They're going to run a check on people they arrest.
Deletess, because you know the track SOME of them you assume they track them all. They don't. The ridiculously low percentages prove that.
DeleteWhy would concealed carry guys have a dramatically better track record than everyone else? They aren't screened or qualified much better than the others? Is it just luck? Does the act of obtaining the permit suddenly make them smarter and less clumsy? What is it in your opinion?
You're saying these states have a permitting system, but aren't bothering to keep track of it? Why not go to constitutional carry then?
DeleteMikeb, people who get carry licenses often are enthusiasts. We train regularly. We also care about keeping the license, so we take care in how we act. But your bias doesn't allow you to believe that license holders could possibly be more responsible, despite the evidence.
DeleteTS brings up an interesting point. Is it the process of getting a carry permit that makes permit holders more law abiding? Or do people get a permit because they are already law abiding and are willing to take on the responsibility of carrying a firearm for self defense?
DeleteFor example, Vermont doesn't require a permit to carry, yet it has a very low rate of gun crime.
Greg says, "people who get carry licenses often are enthusiasts."
DeleteDo you mean almost ALL of them? Just because you're an "enthusiast, don't you know that some (many) of the concealed carry permit holders are hidden criminals, others are idiot hillbillies with less sense than a fire hydrant. The problem is the qualifications are so minimal that any idiot can get one. But you say they're "often enthusiasts," implying I suppose that they're superiorly trained and responsible. It's more bullshit from you, Greg, nothing more.
"enthusiast"
DeleteIs that the guy driving his truck with the gun rack behind his head, drinking, shooting at deer from his truck and other objects just to see if he can hit them?
Mikeb, when you show such bigotry, why do you expect us to trust what you want?
DeleteBizarre personal attack calling me a bigot followed by a bizarre non-sequitur.
DeleteBut, but... if you listen to the gun guys, dropped guns never go off on their own! And certainly not from one of those "highly trained" gun owners with conceal carry permits....
ReplyDeleteNo one said that dropped guns never go off. And if a handful out of millions is how you characterize a group, you know nothing about data analysis.
DeletePlease provide facts and evidence that there are only a handful.
DeleteLook up the total number of gun accidents per annum. Of those, some are examples of a dropped gun. That number is a tiny percentage of total gun owners.
DeleteSorry, being the sites liar, I will need more that just your word for it. Can you site researched stats?
DeleteOf course, no response, of facts to back up your lies, figures. Next lie.
DeleteThis is why concealed carry is total BS. You should have a right to avoid these paranoid idiots but you can't.
ReplyDeleteThere are millions of us carrying. You seem to have survived so far.
DeleteYou're right Anonymous. In fact we do have the right under the pursuit of happiness idea. The gun nuts are infringing upon our god-given and Constitutionally protected right to pursue happiness for ourselves and our families without worrying about which one of them us going to fuck up next.
DeleteThe pursuit of happiness is in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution, and you're confused about what the word means. Today, people equate happiness with cheer or joy or the like, but the word, in fact, is related to happen and happenstance. In other words, Jefferson meant that we have the right to pursue good luck.
DeleteBesides, the millions of us carrying handguns aren't preventing you from having a good day.
Maybe you are preventing him from having a good day. He's worried. That's why congress needs to pass legislation to keep sumdude in Italy from worrying.
DeleteBullshit. 33,000 gunshot deaths and millions carrying deadly weapons. No one is safe just going out in public. I stop at Starbucks for coffee and get shot by some bitch who cannot keep her gun from going off. Just an accident, but I'm crippled for life, and you say, oh well. You killers must be stopped.
DeletePeople who live in the US have a serious and reasonable concern about being shot while they're out shopping or going to school. That's your fault, gun-rights fanatics.
DeleteOf those 30,000 or so, two-thirds are suicides, so Anonymous, don't kill yourself. Of the remaining some 10,000, many are criminal-on-criminal violence. So don't be a criminal. Shootings by concealed carry license holders are rare, whether accidental or intentional. You should see someone about your irrational fear.
DeleteYet they still go out shopping. I guess they're not that worried.
DeleteIdiots like Greg and TS read militia as individual. They have no clue how to read 18th century English.
DeleteYou see how Greg reduced the discussion down to only the gun deaths, and then from there he wrote off the suicides. The truth is gun violence includes a helluva lot more than just the deaths.
DeleteThis is why Greg is known as a wannabe spin doctor, otherwise known as liar.
Mikeb, I was answering Anonymous's comment. He brought up the number of gun deaths.
DeleteAnonymous, the militia is given as a need for the nation, but the right is identified as belonging to whom, again?
Exactly Mike!
DeleteThe right is given to those who will join a militia and fight. Clearly stated.
DeleteRights are not given to us by the government, and the amendment clearly states that the right belongs to the people. That word isn't qualified by statements that only those people in the militia may have guns or similar.
Delete"The right is given to those who will join a militia and fight. Clearly stated."
DeleteI'm sorry to hear that. The justices of the Supreme Court must not have gotten that memo.
Here we go, GOD wrote the Constitution. How deep is your lying criminal cowardice?
DeleteNo, they did not. It is sad.
DeleteNo, you parse numbers while people die, that's your sick come back. Typical for a coward who could care less about people dying from his hobby.
DeleteThe "right" these gun nuts keep talking about is this:
Deleteright to life
right to self defense (to protect life)
right to own a particular inanimate object called a gun
This bizarre and wild jump from the second proposition to the third is what the refer to as "the right." It's total made-up bullshit. Furthermore the 2nd amendment had nothing to do with it. They hijacked the amendment for their crazy argument and repeated it a million times until it took on a life of its own. But, it just ain't so.
See my response to the article you posted. As usual, you've missed the point.
DeleteAs usual, you are a lying coward.
DeleteTwo losers afraid of the coat fairy. NRA concealed carry wacks are all losers.
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