Many thousands of #guns vanish every year. (Until they are used in a crime.) @MomsDemand #Everytown #gunsense pic.twitter.com/tisWfTyi9i
— Cornelia (@PaladinCornelia) April 30, 2014Many thousands of #guns vanish every year. (Until they are used in a crime.) @MomsDemand #Everytown #gunsense pic.twitter.com/tisWfTyi9i
— Cornelia (@PaladinCornelia) April 30, 2014
Ah yes. Clearly there is wrongdoing--no other explanation for lost inventory--nobody else ever loses inventory in other businesses...
ReplyDeleteIs it a problem when businesses lose guns? Yes. But this hyperventilating about it all being the result of criminal actions is overblown. Also, when you compare the rate of lost inventory to that of government agencies losing their firearms, it appears the FFL's are doing a better job than the ATF. http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/a0829/final.pdf
Who said it was ALL the result of criminal actions on the FFL's part?
DeleteWhy would you not be outraged at this? Why do you defend them? Shouldn't they be held to a higher standard than kitchen appliance stores?
Mike, I even went to the groups website and couldn't find anything regarding this proposed rule change. Do you have anything more than just one of these internet memes to validate this assertion?
ReplyDeleteActually, there is a more recent report than what this meme cites.
http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/statistics/TheftLossReport/2013_summary_-_firearms_reported_lost_and_stolen.pdf
Most notable is that 76% of the total number of guns reported as lost were a result of internal audits at the manufacturer. So they likely weren't even made. Fudging the numbers like this does not help the side of gun control advocates. Using the more accurate number of just over 4500 lost to theft, robbery, and burglary out of the reported 8.5 million guns produced in 2012 would have conveyed the groups concern.
However, by using the easily verified numbers they did detracts from the message and affects their overall credibility.
http://www.guns.com/2014/04/15/atf-nearly-20000-firearms-lost-stolen-last-year-ffl-holders/
You have to consider too, that the ATF doesn't get around to inspecting these guys very often. I remember hearing it's once every seven years on average. That means there are many FFL operations that are leaking guns into the criminal world that are not being reported at all. This report is just the tip of the iceberg.
Delete"For the most part banks don't lose money and jewelry stores don't lose diamonds (please don't bother looking up exceptions to that - I said for the most part)."
DeleteThe same could be said for FFLs Mike. Also keep in mind that an FFL will lose his license if he isn't properly accounting for his firearms. Just like a jewelry store, losing product means losing money. And if they don't report a loss by theft, they certainly wont be able to claim it through insurance.
What were the FFL holders supposed to do? Not report them?
ReplyDeleteAgain, trying to keep things consistent here . . . What happens when militaries around the world (including the U.S. DoD) conduct audits and hardware is missing? Most of the mistakes are mistakes by the auditors and/or paperwork errors (like what is probable here) but a very real percentage is missing, but what then?
What's wrong with you? Can't we discuss anything without you bringing up the cops and military?
DeleteFor the most part banks don't lose money and jewelry stores don't lose diamonds (please don't bother looking up exceptions to that - I said for the most part). FFL guys need to be held to a higher standard than they are now, not a lower one like the post indicates.