More examples of the shooter having to stop shooting to reload while giving kids a chance to get out alive and in this case to take out the shooter. Proving again the gun loons on this site are wrong, as usual.
"More examples of the shooter having to stop shooting to reload while giving kids a chance to get out alive and in this case to take out the shooter. "
Its hard to say at this time whether his suicide was brought on by being confronted, which happens a fair percentage of the time according to FBI studies, or whether he had shot the people he intended to and he was last on his to-do list.
What's not hard to say because MANY eyewitnesses have already recounted what happened, is the shooter stop shooting (either his gun jammed or he was reloading) giving the students to get out alive, Eyewitnesses have also said that gave her time to confront the shooter. So that momentary stop by the shooter saved lives. The idea behind limited magazine size.
"It did not take a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun."
The now nationally adopted active shooter response is pretty much based on the premise that engaging the active shooter as soon as possible reduces the carnage inflicted. Kudos to the teacher who was willing to confront an armed man with nothing but bare hands, but the success in this situation doesn't negate the effectiveness of armed response now commonly in use now.
"Its hard to say at this time whether his suicide was brought on by being confronted, which happens a fair percentage of the time according to FBI studies, or whether he had shot the people he intended to and he was last on his to-do list."
C'mon, man, the report is that he was fumbling with the gun when confronted. That sounds like either a spent mag or a jam, either one of which is what we keep talking about. The first Anonymous comment is correct.
"C'mon, man, the report is that he was fumbling with the gun when confronted."
As I said, its still very early to figure it out exactly. First he appears to have texted the victims to have lunch with him to get them all in one place,
"The 14-year-old student who shot classmates at a Marysville-Pilchuck High School lured his “friends” to sit with him during lunch, where he opened fire, Snohomish County Sheriff Ty Trenary said Monday."
And yes, he was fumbling a bit with reloading the pistol, not uncommon when you don't practice or stressed. But apparently the teacher never laid hands on the shooter, so, while in not taking away from the dedication of the teacher, it sort of sounds like my premise that he shot himself because it was his plan. He even apparently sent a dying declaration of sorts to his mother,
"In addition, law enforcement sources said the shooter, freshman Jaylen Fryberg, 14, sent a message to his parents moments before the shooting, telling them what he wanted done with this body. He also texted a photo of himself with a gun to his ex-girlfriend before the shooting, the sources said."
"Trenary also said first-year teacher Megan Silberberger, described as confronting Fryberg and perhaps stopping more bloodshed, did not physically touch the student. Still, he said Silberberger acted quickly and bravely."
"Silberberger may have stepped in when Fryberg was reloading his handgun, believed to be a Beretta .40-caliber, as his hands were trembling and he was having trouble with the weapon, a law enforcement source told CNN. Police have not yet said how many shots in total were fired, but there was at least one bullet left in the cartridge before the confrontation with Silberberger — as Fryberg took his own life."
Well, it turns out that the current system didn't work in regards to prohibited persons. The firearm involved was bought from an FFL with the required background check, but the buyer's name wasn't entered into NICS.
"The father of a 15-year-old boy who fatally shot four students and wounded a fifth before turning the gun on himself in the crowded cafeteria of a Washington high school last fall was arrested Tuesday and charged with illegally possessing a firearm. Jaylen Fryberg used his father’s Beretta PX4 Storm when he opened fire at Marysville-Pilchuck High School on Oct. 24, 2014. Although Jaylen had stolen the firearm from his father’s home, court documents revealed that the teen’s father, Raymond Lee Fryberg, should have never been in possession of the gun to begin with, but had somehow slipped through the system and passed a federal background check, despite the fact that he was the subject of a protective order."
More examples of the shooter having to stop shooting to reload while giving kids a chance to get out alive and in this case to take out the shooter. Proving again the gun loons on this site are wrong, as usual.
ReplyDelete"More examples of the shooter having to stop shooting to reload while giving kids a chance to get out alive and in this case to take out the shooter. "
DeleteIts hard to say at this time whether his suicide was brought on by being confronted, which happens a fair percentage of the time according to FBI studies, or whether he had shot the people he intended to and he was last on his to-do list.
http://leb.fbi.gov/2014/january/active-shooter-events-from-2000-to-2012
What's not hard to say because MANY eyewitnesses have already recounted what happened, is the shooter stop shooting (either his gun jammed or he was reloading) giving the students to get out alive, Eyewitnesses have also said that gave her time to confront the shooter. So that momentary stop by the shooter saved lives. The idea behind limited magazine size.
DeleteIt did not take a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.
ReplyDelete"It did not take a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun."
ReplyDeleteThe now nationally adopted active shooter response is pretty much based on the premise that engaging the active shooter as soon as possible reduces the carnage inflicted.
Kudos to the teacher who was willing to confront an armed man with nothing but bare hands, but the success in this situation doesn't negate the effectiveness of armed response now commonly in use now.
Kudos to the teacher.
DeleteShe proves you don't need teachers to be armed, just aware and willing to act.
Delete"Its hard to say at this time whether his suicide was brought on by being confronted, which happens a fair percentage of the time according to FBI studies, or whether he had shot the people he intended to and he was last on his to-do list."
ReplyDeleteC'mon, man, the report is that he was fumbling with the gun when confronted. That sounds like either a spent mag or a jam, either one of which is what we keep talking about. The first Anonymous comment is correct.
"C'mon, man, the report is that he was fumbling with the gun when confronted."
DeleteAs I said, its still very early to figure it out exactly. First he appears to have texted the victims to have lunch with him to get them all in one place,
"The 14-year-old student who shot classmates at a Marysville-Pilchuck High School lured his “friends” to sit with him during lunch, where he opened fire, Snohomish County Sheriff Ty Trenary said Monday."
And yes, he was fumbling a bit with reloading the pistol, not uncommon when you don't practice or stressed. But apparently the teacher never laid hands on the shooter, so, while in not taking away from the dedication of the teacher, it sort of sounds like my premise that he shot himself because it was his plan. He even apparently sent a dying declaration of sorts to his mother,
"In addition, law enforcement sources said the shooter, freshman Jaylen Fryberg, 14, sent a message to his parents moments before the shooting, telling them what he wanted done with this body. He also texted a photo of himself with a gun to his ex-girlfriend before the shooting, the sources said."
"Trenary also said first-year teacher Megan Silberberger, described as confronting Fryberg and perhaps stopping more bloodshed, did not physically touch the student. Still, he said Silberberger acted quickly and bravely."
http://q13fox.com/2014/10/27/sheriff-marysville-school-shooter-invited-friends-to-sit-with-him-at-lunch/
"Silberberger may have stepped in when Fryberg was reloading his handgun, believed to be a Beretta .40-caliber, as his hands were trembling and he was having trouble with the weapon, a law enforcement source told CNN.
Police have not yet said how many shots in total were fired, but there was at least one bullet left in the cartridge before the confrontation with Silberberger — as Fryberg took his own life."
http://q13fox.com/2014/10/27/hero-teacher-stepped-in-to-confront-gunman-at-marysville-pilchuck/
I'm sure more details are sure to develop in time, but in my opinion, the jury is still out.
You simply refuse to accept the facts. Typical for you.
DeleteWell, it turns out that the current system didn't work in regards to prohibited persons. The firearm involved was bought from an FFL with the required background check, but the buyer's name wasn't entered into NICS.
ReplyDelete"The father of a 15-year-old boy who fatally shot four students and wounded a fifth before turning the gun on himself in the crowded cafeteria of a Washington high school last fall was arrested Tuesday and charged with illegally possessing a firearm.
Jaylen Fryberg used his father’s Beretta PX4 Storm when he opened fire at Marysville-Pilchuck High School on Oct. 24, 2014. Although Jaylen had stolen the firearm from his father’s home, court documents revealed that the teen’s father, Raymond Lee Fryberg, should have never been in possession of the gun to begin with, but had somehow slipped through the system and passed a federal background check, despite the fact that he was the subject of a protective order."
http://www.guns.com/2015/04/02/father-of-student-responsible-for-deadly-wash-school-shooting-arrested-on-federal-firearms-charges-video/