Issasshole is, like most of his ilk, quite selective about which amendment he likes and ignores most of the others.
I always find it strange that the reichwing KKKlowns piss and moan about California being Commiefornia when some of the most clownish RWAD's are from ther--pIssant and Rohrbacher to name but two.
The Americans really need a parliamentary system of government where if they can't come up with a budget, the government has to dissolve.
Let's add in something limiting the time that elections can last to 30 days. Anything election related, such as mentioning who could be the next x, would receive the death penalty. The US really overdoes the election thing.
The Second Amendment isn't so bad, but it would be better if there really was a Swiss style military and cut the crap about gun rights.
Because we have a primary system, I'd make it two months for all states to hold their primary elections, and another two months after the primaries to hold general elections. The reason being, this country is that much larger than the UK, that even with the advantages of technology, more prep time for balloting etc. is necessary, and because the issues are sufficiently complex that the longer time for candidates to acquaint the electorate with their positions is needed.
I'd also happily support your position re the Swiss style military - which would require everyone to do some service, and spread out the strain and drain on our military while making us a safer and better country.
Persons within the jurisdiction of the United States have the right to create and distribute their own expressive works, to practice their beliefs, to assemble in groups, and to petition their governments in any manner that does not directly impede the ability of others to do the same.
2nd:
Citizens have the right to own and bear small arms and the right to use them for legitimate purposes, including self defense.
As for Bill Maher's conversation, Issa was the only person on the panel who made any sense. We were treated to that old line about not owning an AK 47, but the comedian didn't realize that a civilian legal AK 47 doesn't have fully automatic capability.
I would gladly do away with the 2A. What many pro-gun folks fail to realize is that has nothing to do with wanting to do away with guns in civilian hands. They seem to think the 2A is what protects their right to own guns, but that's bullshit. The reason they can own guns is because they live in a free country, and in spite of all their paranoid nonsense, that's not gonna change.
This is a free country? What a joke! There are so many rules, regulations, and laws we are all criminals and we don't even know what law we broke. Ferchissakes you can't even smoke a legal cigarette anywhere. Kids can't open a lemonade stand without getting busted and we don't even make the TOP 10 places in the world to start a business. Rawanda beats us out for gawd's sake.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. – Goethe
I wouldn't change anything. The constitution constitutes our, (not your,) system of government. Thusly, the precepts within the constitution are inviolate. A code of law is secondary. Even if God could make me dictator, I wouldn't change so much as one law. Nor do I fantasize about such an ability. I am an American. Through and through. I hate republicans, conservatives, libertarians, Aryan Nation... All those fucking losers. Yet I believe in my system of government, if nothing else. If, in the future, there is proven a need to change the constitution, I would be willing to advocate for that change. I think after 225 years of leading the free world, we've more or less got it right.
There is no need to abolish the second amendment. I think it's cool that people can shoot each other. In my heavenly, suburban enclave such violence is completely unnecessary. But it is important that Americans be able to kill each other. Ya just gotta make sure you don't make any enemies!!!
Flying Junior is perhaps unaware that Laci holds dual citizenship? Or maybe I'm mistaken in thinking that is the case. C'est la vie.
"There is no need to abolish the second amendment. I think it's cool that people can shoot each other. In my heavenly, suburban enclave such violence is completely unnecessary. But it is important that Americans be able to kill each other. Ya just gotta make sure you don't make any enemies!!!
November 9, 2011 2:59 AM"
Yeah, that's the rub. In Cambodia the Khmer Rouge at one point defined the "enemy" as people with eyeglasses or fillings in their teeth.
Anonymous, The point I tried to make by saying it's a "free country," was simply that you don't need the 2A or a sophisticated argument about natural human rights in order to justify owning a gun. You can own a gun more or less like you can own anything else. And in spite of all the paranoid bullshit we hear from the gun crowd, that ain't gonna change.
Flying Junior seems to have gone off the rails again.
Laci holds dual citizenship and is as American as Flying Junior, also Laci is hands down more knowledgeable than Flying Junior about our history, our current events, our economy, and especially about our laws - including the foundation for them, the U.S.Constitution. And UNlike Flying Junior, Laci also has a better familiarity with the origin in English common law for oh, things like our Bill of Rights (they had it first in jolly old England, long before we did -- it was not original to us).
Lets hope Flying Juvenile gets over his current temper tantrum quickly.
And you are a hypocrite with all your love and peace talk.
The US System developed from the naissant Westminster system--considering that both were at similar levels of development at the time of the War for Independence. So, there was a boiling broth of elements.
The US system needed much more direction since the country was in a mess due to the fact that the revolution was an ill-conceived act. That is, no one had any definite ideas of what would eventually come out of it.
There were those who wanted independence on both sides--Tory meaning conservative in the practical definition of the term. promoting the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society.
Some Tories wanted independence. Your Tory North America is out there--just look North to Canada.
The Independence movement just wanted independence, but did not think of proper governmental structure, or the cost of war--which was pretty stupid since the cost of the French and Indian War led to the taxation problem.
A Tory US is imaginable as it exists--It's called Canada.
As for Anonymous's comment: This is a free country? What a joke! There are so many rules, regulations, and laws we are all criminals and we don't even know what law we broke. Ferchissakes you can't even smoke a legal cigarette anywhere. Kids can't open a lemonade stand without getting busted and we don't even make the TOP 10 places in the world to start a business. Rawanda beats us out for gawd's sake.
I can tell he hasn't been beyond US borders. The US is an incredibly "free" country compared to somewhere like North Korea or PRC.
Pooch said, "I can tell he hasn't been beyond US borders."
Really? How can you tell? Have you lived in North Korea? Have you lived in China? Don't tell me about the freedom I have where I live. Free countries do not have cameras on every corner watching citizens, peeking into your computers, emails, phone calls, bank and health records, black boxes in cars, and laws that require license or permits to do most anything. A free country allows you to pursue your goals and pursuits without having to jump through hoops. But not here. Again, for places where it is easy to start a business, the US in not even in the top 10. And why do thousands of businesses leave these borders every year, why do millions leave the country to move to Mexico, Asia, and other freer places around the globe to be left alone from prying government eyes. What we have now is freedom in chains. Goethe was right, none are more enslaved than those that think they are free.
You keep telling us that even without a Second Amendment, things wouldn't change. And yet, your message here is always about how we need stricter laws with regard to every aspect of firearms ownership and possession. ?Como que huh?
I'm glad that I don't have to submit an application to you every time I want to buy or carry a gun. I have a good idea what your answer would be.
You've already told us that you want licensing just to purchase. You want mental health evaluations for ownership. You want requirements for storage. And on and on. Please be honest by stopping saying that our rights aren't in danger from your proposals.
You want half of current gun owners to be denied firearms? On what do you base that number? I keep seeing 80,000,000 as the number of gun owners in America. Do you seriously believe that 40,000,000 of us are bad owners?
I'm gobsmacked.
Well, at least you're clear on what you want. You don't trust people. I take it that you like Thomas Hobbes more than John Locke.
Call me a true believer, but I do believe in the American ideal that the individual has many rights and that most of us are basically good.
Issasshole is, like most of his ilk, quite selective about which amendment he likes and ignores most of the others.
ReplyDeleteI always find it strange that the reichwing KKKlowns piss and moan about California being Commiefornia when some of the most clownish RWAD's are from ther--pIssant and Rohrbacher to name but two.
The Americans really need a parliamentary system of government where if they can't come up with a budget, the government has to dissolve.
ReplyDeleteLet's add in something limiting the time that elections can last to 30 days. Anything election related, such as mentioning who could be the next x, would receive the death penalty. The US really overdoes the election thing.
The Second Amendment isn't so bad, but it would be better if there really was a Swiss style military and cut the crap about gun rights.
"The Americans really need a parliamentary system of government where if they can't come up with a budget, the government has to dissolve."
ReplyDeleteWell based on that we would never have a government in today's political climate... hmm maybe not a bad idea! :p
I agree with you Laci with a minor caveat.
ReplyDeleteBecause we have a primary system, I'd make it two months for all states to hold their primary elections, and another two months after the primaries to hold general elections. The reason being, this country is that much larger than the UK, that even with the advantages of technology, more prep time for balloting etc. is necessary, and because the issues are sufficiently complex that the longer time for candidates to acquaint the electorate with their positions is needed.
I'd also happily support your position re the Swiss style military - which would require everyone to do some service, and spread out the strain and drain on our military while making us a safer and better country.
Ditto the crap about gun rights.
Here's my edits for the first two amendments:
ReplyDelete1st:
Persons within the jurisdiction of the United States have the right to create and distribute their own expressive works, to practice their beliefs, to assemble in groups, and to petition their governments in any manner that does not directly impede the ability of others to do the same.
2nd:
Citizens have the right to own and bear small arms and the right to use them for legitimate purposes, including self defense.
As for Bill Maher's conversation, Issa was the only person on the panel who made any sense. We were treated to that old line about not owning an AK 47, but the comedian didn't realize that a civilian legal AK 47 doesn't have fully automatic capability.
I would gladly do away with the 2A. What many pro-gun folks fail to realize is that has nothing to do with wanting to do away with guns in civilian hands. They seem to think the 2A is what protects their right to own guns, but that's bullshit. The reason they can own guns is because they live in a free country, and in spite of all their paranoid nonsense, that's not gonna change.
ReplyDeleteThis is a free country? What a joke!
ReplyDeleteThere are so many rules, regulations, and laws we are all criminals and we don't even know what law we broke.
Ferchissakes you can't even smoke a legal cigarette anywhere. Kids can't open a lemonade stand without getting busted and we don't even make the TOP 10 places in the world to start a business. Rawanda beats us out for gawd's sake.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. – Goethe
Darrell Issa is a moron, an asshole, a demagogue and a serial liar. It does not suprise me that Greg Camp thinks he makes sense.
ReplyDeleteROFL, as to regulation, I just found out yesterday in researching something I wrote on Penigma that it is illegal in MN to sleep in the nude.
ReplyDeletePffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!
The Americans really need a parliamentary system of government where if they can't come up with a budget, the government has to dissolve.
ReplyDeleteFucking Tory! Your opinion is worthless.
I wouldn't change anything. The constitution constitutes our, (not your,) system of government. Thusly, the precepts within the constitution are inviolate. A code of law is secondary. Even if God could make me dictator, I wouldn't change so much as one law. Nor do I fantasize about such an ability. I am an American. Through and through. I hate republicans, conservatives, libertarians, Aryan Nation... All those fucking losers. Yet I believe in my system of government, if nothing else. If, in the future, there is proven a need to change the constitution, I would be willing to advocate for that change. I think after 225 years of leading the free world, we've more or less got it right.
ReplyDeleteThere is no need to abolish the second amendment. I think it's cool that people can shoot each other. In my heavenly, suburban enclave such violence is completely unnecessary. But it is important that Americans be able to kill each other. Ya just gotta make sure you don't make any enemies!!!
Flying Junior is perhaps unaware that Laci holds dual citizenship? Or maybe I'm mistaken in thinking that is the case. C'est la vie.
ReplyDelete"There is no need to abolish the second amendment. I think it's cool that people can shoot each other. In my heavenly, suburban enclave such violence is completely unnecessary. But it is important that Americans be able to kill each other. Ya just gotta make sure you don't make any enemies!!!
November 9, 2011 2:59 AM"
Yeah, that's the rub. In Cambodia the Khmer Rouge at one point defined the "enemy" as people with eyeglasses or fillings in their teeth.
Anonymous, The point I tried to make by saying it's a "free country," was simply that you don't need the 2A or a sophisticated argument about natural human rights in order to justify owning a gun. You can own a gun more or less like you can own anything else. And in spite of all the paranoid bullshit we hear from the gun crowd, that ain't gonna change.
ReplyDeleteYou're correct, and as usual,
ReplyDeleteFlying Junior seems to have gone off the rails again.
Laci holds dual citizenship and is as American as Flying Junior, also Laci is hands down more knowledgeable than Flying Junior about our history, our current events, our economy, and especially about our laws - including the foundation for them, the U.S.Constitution. And UNlike Flying Junior, Laci also has a better familiarity with the origin in English common law for oh, things like our Bill of Rights (they had it first in jolly old England, long before we did -- it was not original to us).
Lets hope Flying Juvenile gets over his current temper tantrum quickly.
Yes, Flying Juvenile,I am a dual citizen.
ReplyDeleteAnd you are a hypocrite with all your love and peace talk.
The US System developed from the naissant Westminster system--considering that both were at similar levels of development at the time of the War for Independence. So, there was a boiling broth of elements.
The US system needed much more direction since the country was in a mess due to the fact that the revolution was an ill-conceived act. That is, no one had any definite ideas of what would eventually come out of it.
There were those who wanted independence on both sides--Tory meaning conservative in the practical definition of the term. promoting the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society.
Some Tories wanted independence. Your Tory North America is out there--just look North to Canada.
The Independence movement just wanted independence, but did not think of proper governmental structure, or the cost of war--which was pretty stupid since the cost of the French and Indian War led to the taxation problem.
A Tory US is imaginable as it exists--It's called Canada.
As for Anonymous's comment:
This is a free country? What a joke!
There are so many rules, regulations, and laws we are all criminals and we don't even know what law we broke.
Ferchissakes you can't even smoke a legal cigarette anywhere. Kids can't open a lemonade stand without getting busted and we don't even make the TOP 10 places in the world to start a business. Rawanda beats us out for gawd's sake.
I can tell he hasn't been beyond US borders. The US is an incredibly "free" country compared to somewhere like North Korea or PRC.
Pooch said, "I can tell he hasn't been beyond US borders."
ReplyDeleteReally? How can you tell?
Have you lived in North Korea? Have you lived in China?
Don't tell me about the freedom I have where I live.
Free countries do not have cameras on every corner watching citizens, peeking into your computers, emails, phone calls, bank and health records, black boxes in cars, and laws that require license or permits to do most anything. A free country allows you to pursue your goals and pursuits without having to jump through hoops. But not here. Again, for places where it is easy to start a business, the US in not even in the top 10. And why do thousands of businesses leave these borders every year, why do millions leave the country to move to Mexico, Asia, and other freer places around the globe to be left alone from prying government eyes.
What we have now is freedom in chains. Goethe was right, none are more enslaved than those that think they are free.
Mikeb302000,
ReplyDeleteYou keep telling us that even without a Second Amendment, things wouldn't change. And yet, your message here is always about how we need stricter laws with regard to every aspect of firearms ownership and possession. ?Como que huh?
I'm glad that I don't have to submit an application to you every time I want to buy or carry a gun. I have a good idea what your answer would be.
You've already told us that you want licensing just to purchase. You want mental health evaluations for ownership. You want requirements for storage. And on and on. Please be honest by stopping saying that our rights aren't in danger from your proposals.
Your rights are only in danger if you're a mental misfit, a liar or a criminal. Obviously that scares the shit out of you.
ReplyDeleteI am being honest, Greg. I always am.
ReplyDeleteI wrote a post one time describing my goal. Here it is.
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2011/08/my-official-goal.html
Mikeb302000,
ReplyDeleteYou want half of current gun owners to be denied firearms? On what do you base that number? I keep seeing 80,000,000 as the number of gun owners in America. Do you seriously believe that 40,000,000 of us are bad owners?
I'm gobsmacked.
Well, at least you're clear on what you want. You don't trust people. I take it that you like Thomas Hobbes more than John Locke.
Call me a true believer, but I do believe in the American ideal that the individual has many rights and that most of us are basically good.