I disagree with the subtitle. America's gun is the 1911, followed closely by Colt's revovlers. That being said, Glock just did what any other successful business does. Good for them.
I borrowed a friend's Glock for a few rounds. It felt good, but I'm leary of the light trigger and no safety to speak of. It does strike me as a good bedside gun, though--point and shoot. I've never had the pleasure of shooting a SIG. So many guns, so little time.
Greg- The Sig9 is the greatest 9mm I've ever fired. I really don't shoot it too much. It is mainly my home security system. If you ever get the opportunity, I promise you'll love it.
I prefer the Colt 1911 (obviously) and all of my hands carry the 1911 clones, a few even have the Colt as well, all of them are chambered in the .45. Out of all of the handgun designs around, the 1911 is the safest to carry, and the most rugged and dependable for our use. There are a couple of guys that have the Glock, but I dont allow them to carry those while on the job.
The drawback of the Colt is that it is damned expensive! But I prefer the true article, not the clone of the other names. Altho they are every bit as good as the original article, such as the Kimber.
The current model I have is the MK4 series 80 combat elite full size 5". I believe its close to 20 years old and still retains the fit and finish as if it had just come out of the box. I have worn out both nylon and leather holster with it as it is carried by me every day. I do insist that hand arms and long arms are of a military spec or design to be acceptable while working our land. They have been proven to be safer and more reliable. I also insist they the be well maintained. If you dont take care of it, you dont take care of me or your job. The same goes with ANY gear used, horses, and I dont care if you do own them, they are on MY land, saddles, proper wear, vehicles and so on.
But I can keep going and not just about guns, but that seems to be the main subject here. But like I said before, I can only offer comment on personal experience.
There are more variate of handguns out there now days than ever before, even PINK ones! Even my wife had laugh about those. But they all do one thing, shoot! For me, they have to meet just a few criteria,
1, SAFETY! How safe can they be carried. 2, RELIABILITY! They have to work perfectly the very moment that they are needed otherwise you have an expensive piece of junk. And that could cost you injury or life or the life of another. 3, COMMON AMMO! I really need everyone to have interchangeability of both hand arms and long arms. Pistols are all .45. Rifles to be used that day in a team are all the same caliber. Rifles are .223, 7.62X39, .308 on the job. All shotguns are 12 gauge.
No fancy plastic anything allowed on the job, PERIOD! EVERYONE follows the rules or they are out. No second chance. If you involve yourself in any criminal activity, your out. NO alcohol allowed on my land or anything else illicit. Dont show up impaired on the job, no second chance. Respect yourself and others, no games or showoffs. This is a buisness, an expensive one, your paid well, EARN IT!
Beretta has the U.S. military handgun market, not Glock. When the United States stupidly decided to adopt NATO's 9mm standard for handguns, there was a competition to pick a new sidearm, and Beretta won, despite being big, heavy on the trigger, underpowered, and exposed in many of its working parts. Many police departments use the Beretta, while others use one variety of SIG or another. Springfield XD also shows up. Of course, some allow the 1911, and some older officers still carry revovlers.
Glocks have a lot of respect from some in the gun nut forest (a complimentary term, Mikeb), and a whole lot of dislike from others. My own assessment of them is that they are used best by experts and best left alone by novices.
A lot of the Glock subject is about personal preferance, Mike. But it cant be a high sales or a takeover if people didnt buy them. Most of the problem IS the gun loon population, to borrow a term often used here. These people, or the majority think that the modern day pistol must be plastic, altho Glock wasnt the first to produce them, they know how to market them. All of the LEOs around here have them as department issue, most HATE them.
Sure, I can understand light weight for carry, just more comfortable to hang on your hip without feeling your hoisting around a ship anchor like my Colt. But they ARE NOT SAFE! And is the reason I ban them. Beside not being reliable in the conditions we work in.
They are also cheap to buy in compairson of the more traditional models. So they sell more. High volume, lower price. People nowdays buy with brain in park and tounge out, I have seen it. Bad deal.
Nostalgic, maybe with me to a point, safety, function and dependablity is the driving factor, first and foremost.
Price drives sales with law enforcement department bean counters. Or any department that supplies arms to employees. Not safety. There have been and shall continue to be negligent shootings with LEOs and private citizens because of the Glock and similar type of firearm. Even the so called expert, trained pros, shoot themselves with them, and others.
Companies could sell more Scotch tape than staple guns if it were to be marketed better and show some kind of advantage over the staple, true or not. Appeal makes a lot of sales too if you knew who to appeal to. Glock knows.
I say if more people knew more about the downsides, Glock and others would dry up and blow away from no sales.
I disagree with the subtitle. America's gun is the 1911, followed closely by Colt's revovlers. That being said, Glock just did what any other successful business does. Good for them.
ReplyDeleteGreg- I'm a SIG man myself. Shot a few glocks, but did not care for them too much.
ReplyDeleteI borrowed a friend's Glock for a few rounds. It felt good, but I'm leary of the light trigger and no safety to speak of. It does strike me as a good bedside gun, though--point and shoot. I've never had the pleasure of shooting a SIG. So many guns, so little time.
DeleteGreg- The Sig9 is the greatest 9mm I've ever fired. I really don't shoot it too much. It is mainly my home security system. If you ever get the opportunity, I promise you'll love it.
ReplyDeleteI prefer the Colt 1911 (obviously) and all of my hands carry the 1911 clones, a few even have the Colt as well, all of them are chambered in the .45. Out of all of the handgun designs around, the 1911 is the safest to carry, and the most rugged and dependable for our use. There are a couple of guys that have the Glock, but I dont allow them to carry those while on the job.
ReplyDeleteThe drawback of the Colt is that it is damned expensive! But I prefer the true article, not the clone of the other names. Altho they are every bit as good as the original article, such as the Kimber.
The current model I have is the MK4 series 80 combat elite full size 5". I believe its close to 20 years old and still retains the fit and finish as if it had just come out of the box. I have worn out both nylon and leather holster with it as it is carried by me every day. I do insist that hand arms and long arms are of a military spec or design to be acceptable while working our land. They have been proven to be safer and more reliable. I also insist they the be well maintained. If you dont take care of it, you dont take care of me or your job. The same goes with ANY gear used, horses, and I dont care if you do own them, they are on MY land, saddles, proper wear, vehicles and so on.
But I can keep going and not just about guns, but that seems to be the main subject here. But like I said before, I can only offer comment on personal experience.
There are more variate of handguns out there now days than ever before, even PINK ones! Even my wife had laugh about those. But they all do one thing, shoot! For me, they have to meet just a few criteria,
1, SAFETY! How safe can they be carried.
2, RELIABILITY! They have to work perfectly the very moment that they are needed otherwise you have an expensive piece of junk. And that could cost you injury or life or the life of another.
3, COMMON AMMO! I really need everyone to have interchangeability of both hand arms and long arms. Pistols are all .45. Rifles to be used that day in a team are all the same caliber. Rifles are .223, 7.62X39, .308 on the job. All shotguns are 12 gauge.
No fancy plastic anything allowed on the job, PERIOD! EVERYONE follows the rules or they are out. No second chance. If you involve yourself in any criminal activity, your out. NO alcohol allowed on my land or anything else illicit. Dont show up impaired on the job, no second chance. Respect yourself and others, no games or showoffs. This is a buisness, an expensive one, your paid well, EARN IT!
I don't know guys, it sounds like you're all talking about personal preferences or nostalgic sentiment.
ReplyDeleteGlock has infiltrated the police and military. It's more than a successful business ploy. It's a takeover.
What about Barretta, how come I never hear about them?
Beretta has the U.S. military handgun market, not Glock. When the United States stupidly decided to adopt NATO's 9mm standard for handguns, there was a competition to pick a new sidearm, and Beretta won, despite being big, heavy on the trigger, underpowered, and exposed in many of its working parts. Many police departments use the Beretta, while others use one variety of SIG or another. Springfield XD also shows up. Of course, some allow the 1911, and some older officers still carry revovlers.
DeleteGlocks have a lot of respect from some in the gun nut forest (a complimentary term, Mikeb), and a whole lot of dislike from others. My own assessment of them is that they are used best by experts and best left alone by novices.
Mike- The Chicago PD are allowed to purchase their own. My Father-in-Law carrys the Beretta.
Delete"Infiltrate?!!" Are you kidding me? That's a whole lot-o-paranoid you got going there, Mike.
DeleteAre you sure it's not just that Glock made the best product for the best price? Do you always impute evil into decisions you don't agree with?
(By the way, my favorite right now is my H&K P2000 SK V2 LEM.)
thanks for the info on the various gun makes.
DeleteA lot of the Glock subject is about personal preferance, Mike. But it cant be a high sales or a takeover if people didnt buy them. Most of the problem IS the gun loon population, to borrow a term often used here. These people, or the majority think that the modern day pistol must be plastic, altho Glock wasnt the first to produce them, they know how to market them. All of the LEOs around here have them as department issue, most HATE them.
ReplyDeleteSure, I can understand light weight for carry, just more comfortable to hang on your hip without feeling your hoisting around a ship anchor like my Colt. But they ARE NOT SAFE! And is the reason I ban them. Beside not being reliable in the conditions we work in.
They are also cheap to buy in compairson of the more traditional models. So they sell more. High volume, lower price. People nowdays buy with brain in park and tounge out, I have seen it. Bad deal.
Nostalgic, maybe with me to a point, safety, function and dependablity is the driving factor, first and foremost.
Price drives sales with law enforcement department bean counters. Or any department that supplies arms to employees. Not safety. There have been and shall continue to be negligent shootings with LEOs and private citizens because of the Glock and similar type of firearm. Even the so called expert, trained pros, shoot themselves with them, and others.
Companies could sell more Scotch tape than staple guns if it were to be marketed better and show some kind of advantage over the staple, true or not. Appeal makes a lot of sales too if you knew who to appeal to. Glock knows.
I say if more people knew more about the downsides, Glock and others would dry up and blow away from no sales.
It's ironic that we're discussing the relative merits of different types of handguns on a gun control blog.
ReplyDeleteThat is ironic, but I like it. For one thing it defeats the silly accusation that I hate guns or fear them or want to eliminate them.
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