Brandon McCafferty, who said he is a friend of the victim, said while visiting the scene of the shooting Thursday morning that the man had a permit to carry a gun and always had a gun in his possession. He said he had heard that the man had a gun in his possession Wednesday night, and that the officers told him to put the gun down before he was shot.I wonder if that information will make it into any of the official statistics we keep hearing about, you know the ones that prove how much safer concealed carry guys are than everybody else?
What do you think? Please leave a comment.
Police were trying to determine on Thursday if the man had a license to carry it.
ReplyDeleteYou saw what his buddy said though right? You think he was just making that shit up?
DeleteYou mean, the way you do, Mikeb? See, you find one license holder who did wrong and conclude that there must be millions like him.
DeleteMaybe not millions, but a lot more than those ridiculous percentages you guys keep coming up with.
DeleteWhat about what your side says? Do you imagine that the Violence Policy Center is slacking off? Or are they secretly in favor of concealed carry? They can't come up with even one tenth of one percent over the last five years.
DeleteWhat's the difference between a gun carried by a person with a permit and a gun carried by a person without a permit?
ReplyDeleteNOthing.
The permit merely allows the criminal to get away with carrying for a period. Eventually, the criminal nature will come through, and the gun will be used to commit a crime.
You are certianly welcome not to ever carry or on a weapon. Your negitive outlook on mankind is a reflection of yourself. By your thinking, everyone eventually becomes a criminal. That means by your thinking, you are going to be or already have become a criminal.
DeleteSad way to go thru life.
Mikeb, you fail to notice how rare it is for a license holder to commit a crime. You crow with glee whenever you find one, but there are millions of us who manage not to violate the law every day. You're so obsessed with finding wrong that you can't see the good any more.
ReplyDeleteYou're the one with your head in the sand, Greg.
DeleteProof's a hard mistress, Mikeb, one that you're failing to satisfy.
DeleteOnly .0002% of concealed carry permit holders ever get in trouble is based on improper reporting.
DeleteGIGO = garbage in garbage out.
Mikeb, you can't just make things up. How do you know that there is improper reporting? You're guessing based on your biases.
DeleteI don't see any big surprise here. The numbers tell us what to expect: every year in every state about 1 concealed carry handgun permit holder will illegally shoot someone in public in a non-defensive situation.
ReplyDeleteGiven that there are on average roughly 200,000 people with concealed carry handgun licenses in every state (except Illinois and effectively Hawaii), that is an exceedingly low screw-up rate. Even law enforcement officers mess-up (and I am talking about gross misconduct, not questionable responses to emergency dispatches) more often than that.
Like Greg said, of the 8 million or so concealed carry handgun permit holders in the U.S. 7,999,950 mind their Ps and Qs and do not attack the public throughout the course of the year.
Those numbers are based on improper reporting. But you keep sayin' it. When real proof is lacking, bullshit works just as well if you say it enough and get enough of your friends to join in.
DeleteWhat improper reporting? You keep claiming that every criminal must have had a carry license, but you do so without any evidence. Guessing and wishing isn't proof.
DeleteIn Texas for 2011 there were a total of 63,679 convictions, 120 of which were CHL holders. These convictions were not necassarly gun crimes. That is 0.1884% of all convictions were made by CHL holders in Texas.
DeleteTexas DPS reporting,
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2011.pdf
Stats are from the horses mouth (state of Texas) on the percentage for the entire year of 2011.
Also, in Texas there were over 500,000 active CHLs in Texas. That number will be greater this year.
DeleteYou can also use the link provided to go all the way back to 1996. That was the year CHL was inacted into law. You can also search the demographics of age, sex and race. Number of CHLs issued, revoked and total number of current CHLs. You can search by county and zip code. You can not get names however. The crimes list do not list misdemeanors like traffic tickets, the Brady bunch does and misrepresnts crime stats in that way.
DeleteIf other shall issue and may issue states follow the same stats as the Texas crime reporting, permit holders across the US committing any crimes are very low.
"That number will be greater this year." So will the problems.
DeleteIf you had actually looked at the stats, the convictions of CHL holders actually go down as the CHL population goes up.
DeleteSo what problems? There are less gun crimes in the CHL convictions in that 120. The convictions of those 120 were holders of a CHL, not just gun crimes but of any crime listed. Go read the stats.
This link provides better access to the site to look up everything you want, except names.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/index.htm#
In other words, with the list of crimes posted in their site, 4 pages of them, less than 0.2% percent are CHL holders. All of those CHL holders convicted of the crimes listed is simply that, a licensed gun owner. Of those licensed gun owners convicted, there is even a smaller percentage that actually used a gun in a crime or to perpetuate a crime. The rest were convicted of a crime that had nothing to do with the gun itself or its use by the owner thereof.
DeleteOut of those 120 for 2011, only 18 involved the use of a gun, 3 of which were murder. There are 4 more that I am not clear on yet but I will add those in anyway. That comes to 22 out of 120 that clearly involved the use of a gun. That means 98 were convicted of serious crimes, that were CHL holders, but did not involve the use of a gun.
So the percentage is actually way less than 0.1884% of 63,679 crimes convicted in Texas of 2011
The problems clearly isnt the average CHL holder in Texas. I am not saying we are perfect, but given the 63,679 crimes, the CHL holder has a pretty damn good track record.
But Texas Colt carry, 99.8% is a minority of license holders--you didn't take control freak math, I see.
DeleteI am sorry Greg, but ZZOOOMM! Straight over my head! I dont understand what you are trying to say to me.
DeleteI guess I am slow today, tons of things happening around here and for some reason I missed. Not your fault, mine instead. Please elaborate?
Oh, LOLS! I got it, finally! Too funny.
ReplyDeleteTrying to understand illogic does give one brain cramps. I spend my days grading student essays, so I'm used to sloppy reasoning, I suppose.
DeleteOne problem with the stats of concealed carry permit holders who get in trouble is improper reporting. No one is checking every single crime to see if the guy has a permit to carry.
ReplyDeleteAre you saying that the reports on the state DOT/DOJ site is not accurate? The state is the one prosicuting those crimes number one, number two your ID in the state of Texas is directly tied to a CHL. So in Texas at least, you can not hide the fact you have a CHL by simply not presenting one. A state ID or drivers license number is also on the CHL. Even if all they have is your name, the ID check will show a CHL.
DeleteSo I would have to say the reporting in Texas is spot on.
The same is true in Arkansas. Mikeb is doing his usual silliness here. He believes something to be the case, and since reporters don't ask the questions that he wants asked, he concludes that every criminal must have had a carry license.
DeleteThats the thing with reporters as well, unless the SEE the CHL, they cannot determine whether a person has one or not. But any policeman, sheriff, state patrol, judge and prosecutor can.
DeleteNo one else can be privy to that information otherwise it wouldn't be CONCEALED!
That may change some tho next year when Texas passes open carry. All they do is remove the word concealed from the law. It would be the carriers option on how he or she wishes to carry. But as for the rest, it still would not be information that anyone outside law enforcement could get.