Hey, no doubt they believed they were in perfect control at all times of that gun, just like the other gun nuts do who do not acknowledge that unless it is unloaded and locked up, it is not secure. But heck, so that little kid got rushed to the hospital; they have a gun for self defense, and anyone else that gets hurt doesn't matter so long as they're prepared for that eventuality. Just ignore all the OTHER eventualities where kids get hurt or killed, suicides, homicides........
Or smarten up, and call 911 instead of having a gun in the same house as kids (Or adults).
Dog Gone ... there are 90,000,000 firearm owners. It is tragic that the owners of this particular firearm did not properly store their gun for whatever reason, but that is not a reason for the other owners to sell their guns and rely on 911.
My firearms are locked and away at all times unless they are near me, and until the police can respond at 850 FPS, no, I won't "smarten up" and call 911 and hope the criminal doesn't shoot me first.
Unlike yourselves, Dog Gone isn't in the double digits. Her life is worth defending, as society would be at a loss if she where to be slain by a "stalker". You cannot reasonably claim that the same applies to yourselves.
E.N., I have as much right to live as Dog Gone. But let's note that under your standards, you have shown no right for yourself either to live or to speak.
Mikeb, 99%+ is my understanding of "vast majority" in this case, while "only a few" to me means less than one percent. Those are the facts. To you, facts and logic are biased and slanted.
Where's the outrage? That kid was old enough to be potty trained he's old enough to learn the Sacred4RULEZ! In a sane world he'd be learning how to shoot before he learned to take a shit. And with the patented Bobby Farago, "Shoot first, learn the rules later" method he coulda had that gun pointed the right way and shot the baby sitter! I blame the Gunznihilators who want to confiscate all of MurKKKa's gunz, melt them down and use the steel to make shackles and bars for the ObamaFEMA Camps? Did you know that they get grants from the Soros Foundation to suppress Eddy Eagle programs in hospital nurseries? True Story, I read it on the internetztoobz.
"Well where i live the cops take about 20 minutes my gun is always on me or next to me cause u cant count on anyone but yourself"
So, you're always armed. I hope you're also a highly skilled surgeon and trauma doc as well as possessing heightened senses of hearing and an eagle eye, just in case some vague-o-perp is sneaking up on your house in his ghillie suit.
I got one for you. Put a sign on your door that says "Gun Free Household!" This way, I get to keep my gun locked up because a criminal will happily break into your house. Sound good?
Coming from a sockpuppet that is particularly funny.
"I got one for you. Put a sign on your door that says "Gun Free Household!" This way, I get to keep my gun locked up because a criminal will happily break into your house. Sound good?"
I got one for you. Lock the doors, invest in an alarm system with a "makes ya wanna puke" 160 db "alert", get a cute little 15 pound "alarm system" like my roommate, Buddy (added benefit, playing with, walking, grooming and watching little doggies sleep lowers one's blood pressure) stop buying into the notion that carrying a gun, concealed or not, is keeping you safe.
Oh, I know you think that whole idea is cockamamie. Greggie Campin'outonplanetgunzloon is always quick to tell us how many firearms owners DIDN'T ever kill or hurt nobody. Well, here's the other side of that one:
No KIDS have ever been hurt or killed by teh gunz in houses where there ain't none.
And I suppose that no child has ever been killed by a home invader? And no child has been killed by a guard dog. And every family can afford the kind of security system--including the monthly fees--that you described. And no criminal can ever defeat a lock.
Democommie, you have nothing to be self-righteous about.
A skilled burglar will find a way to enter any structure that he (or she) pleases, regardless of structural security precautions. A locked door simply requires that a potential burglar cause greater damage to one home, in order to gain access. The deterrence of ones surroundings (such as armed neighbors) is more likely to repel a potential thief or assailant as opposed to feeble doors and irritating alarms.
I'd rather have guns my kids cant hurt themselves with than to let myself become a victim. I am glad the crusty old troll has never had any violence used against him and he lives in a pretty nice bubble of perfectness where nothing ever terrible happens, but I don't. We move every few years for the military, and we usually end up living in crappy areas due to the location of bases. Were you in nam troll?
No, fuckface, and I doubt that you were either unless you've been in the military for something like 40 years.
I have no idea why you would bring that up except to prove that you're a man and I'm not--which attempt is a massive fail, btw--but I admit I could be wrong and you have no idea why you brought it up either.
"I am glad the crusty old troll has never had any violence used against him and he lives in a pretty nice bubble of perfectness where nothing ever terrible happens,"
I live in the same fucking world as you do, dickhead. I live in a decent neighborhood at the moment, nothing spectacular. I've lived in some shitholes in my life. I've been threatened a few times and been able to not get myself shot, beaten up, stabbed with a butcher knife or run off the road by a car driven by someone who was really pissed off because I didn't signal before turning right. I haven't remained whole and relatively unscathed because I'm smarter, stronger, more vigilant or more courageous than someone else. I've remained that way because I try not to do things that are monumentally stupid or go out of my way to piss people off because I know, if push comes to shove--I got me a fuckin' gun!
I've been "cautioned" by virtually every asshole gunzloon that visits this blog, at one time or another, about not havin' a gun and making threats or pissing people off. Well, I guess if you guys think I'm liable to get shot by some fucking douchebag who can't be a man without a gun, it says a lot more about your cowardice than it does about "an armed society being a polite society.".
"I'd rather have guns my kids cant hurt themselves with than to let myself become a victim."
Dream on. Kids, if they get their hands on gunz, will figure out how to use them. If the gunz are so safe that the kidz can't use them, what happens when you're not there and the home invadin' hordes attack? Yeah, I know, plan "B". You fellers allus got a plan "B".
I've got a newsflash for you, bud; most people don't give in to their fear of being attacked to the extent that they carry a fucking gun everywhere they go. Those of us who don't carry gunz are the majority. The assholes who are so frightened of the unknown that is every moment of most of our lives are in the minority.
I go through my day without fear, and I don't do anything with a gun that I wouldn't do without one. The same is true about many of the carry license holders that I know. You're welcome to make your own choices, but it would be good if you'd stop advocating for taking our choice away.
I carry a gun not out of fear but out of need cause in my experience you get in more trouble for stabbing someone in self-defense then you do by wielding gun
Mikeb, you're practicing psychology without a license again. You've never met me. I've told you many times why I carry. It's not out of fear. It's out of a rational calculation of things that could happen.
Knowing that airbags are not mandated by the EU (and that safety devices are rather uncommon in European cars), does your car have an airbag? If the Italian government did not require that you do so, would you buckle your seat belt? Are your vaccinations up to date?
All of the above are precautions against a potential threat (be it automobile accidents or a measles epidemic) which are taken in a similar manner, to the practice of keeping a (properly secured) weapon in one's home or place of business, as a means of defending against (and deterring) home invasion and robbery. Arming oneself as a means of personal security has become a widespread practice, which has been adopted by individuals (such as women, homosexuals, physically handicapped persons, and minorities) who do not fit your "redneck" stereotype, who seek to use weapons as a rational precaution against the violence that they often find themselves the victims of.
Some precautions against possible threats are reasonable, some are not. Your ideas about guns are more like the precautions some paranoid people take against meteorite strikes.
Mikeb, are you claiming that violent crime is as rare as a meteor strike? If so, why do you oppose guns? Shootings, a subcategory of violence, must be exceedingly rare.
Yes, Greg, I am. Unless you live in the ghetto or service ATM machines at night your chances of being the victim are nearly zero. The fear is all in your head.
"A skilled burglar will find a way to enter any structure that he (or she) pleases, regardless of structural security precautions. A locked door simply requires that a potential burglar cause greater damage to one home, in order to gain access. The deterrence of ones surroundings (such as armed neighbors) is more likely to repel a potential thief or assailant as opposed to feeble doors and irritating alarms."
Boy, you guyz really do cling to your gunz and gunzmythz. A skilled burglar will NOT attempt to enter a home that has an alarm system, or damage a door or window to enter unless he is going there for a specific reason. So you don't lock your doors? just in case a burglar might show up? You don't want him to break down the door before you shoot him?
Does your comment mean that you don't take any precautions while you're home, to secure your property? What about if you step out for a few minutes--just to go down to Bullets'r'Us to replenish your ammo supplies--and leave one of your children home; do you hand them a gun or tell them to lock the doors until you return? What about when they go to school or on a playdate or some other outing with other people? Do you make sure that they're armed? I mean we know that the world is a dangerous place and how're you gonna protect your loved ones if you're not there? I'm sure it's far better to give an eight year old a Glock than it is to send him out Scaryworld unarmed.
"Also, a Beretta doesn't crap on the rug..... "
Neither does my roommate, unless he's ill. An "accidental discharge" from him doesn't require patching up the walls or getting out a body bag.
"I carry a gun not out of fear but out of need cause in my experience you get in more trouble for stabbing someone in self-defense then you do by wielding gun."
What, you've stabbed people and gotten in trouble for it, or you know someone who stabbed somebody and got in trouble for it? Is the reasont that there was "trouble" something to do with a live victim filing a complaint or testifying in court, against the knife wielder. If that were the case I can see where you might want to shoot them intead of stabbing them. It's MUCH easier to kill someone--without the killer getting hurt in the process--with a gun than it is with a knife.
Hey, no doubt they believed they were in perfect control at all times of that gun, just like the other gun nuts do who do not acknowledge that unless it is unloaded and locked up, it is not secure. But heck, so that little kid got rushed to the hospital; they have a gun for self defense, and anyone else that gets hurt doesn't matter so long as they're prepared for that eventuality. Just ignore all the OTHER eventualities where kids get hurt or killed, suicides, homicides........
ReplyDeleteOr smarten up, and call 911 instead of having a gun in the same house as kids (Or adults).
Well where i live the cops take about 20 minutes my gun is always on me or next to me cause u cant count on anyone but yourself
DeleteDog Gone ... there are 90,000,000 firearm owners. It is tragic that the owners of this particular firearm did not properly store their gun for whatever reason, but that is not a reason for the other owners to sell their guns and rely on 911.
DeleteMy firearms are locked and away at all times unless they are near me, and until the police can respond at 850 FPS, no, I won't "smarten up" and call 911 and hope the criminal doesn't shoot me first.
Is that two different guys called Anonymous, or the same one?
DeleteYou do realize that not everybody is as responsible with their guns as you are, don't you?
Yes mike its two different people
DeleteApparently, we are, at least the vast majority of us. Out of the millions of gun owners, only a few have incidents like this.
DeleteDog Gone, you had a gun to protect yourself. Why didn't you give it up and just rely on 911?
Dog gone, do I need to remind you that YOU own a gun? Forgetting that you have one doesn’t sound like responsible gun ownership to me.
DeleteUnlike yourselves, Dog Gone isn't in the double digits. Her life is worth defending, as society would be at a loss if she where to be slain by a "stalker". You cannot reasonably claim that the same applies to yourselves.
DeleteGreg, you have a biased and slanted understanding of "vast majority" and "only a few."
DeleteE.N., I have as much right to live as Dog Gone. But let's note that under your standards, you have shown no right for yourself either to live or to speak.
DeleteMikeb, 99%+ is my understanding of "vast majority" in this case, while "only a few" to me means less than one percent. Those are the facts. To you, facts and logic are biased and slanted.
But it's not 99%, not by a long shot.
Delete100,000,000 gun owners
Delete100,000 firearms injuries and deaths per year
You can't get past those numbers. The number of injuries and deaths amounts to one tenth of one percent of gun owners.
Mikeb302000:
ReplyDeleteWhere's the outrage? That kid was old enough to be potty trained he's old enough to learn the Sacred4RULEZ! In a sane world he'd be learning how to shoot before he learned to take a shit. And with the patented Bobby Farago, "Shoot first, learn the rules later" method he coulda had that gun pointed the right way and shot the baby sitter! I blame the Gunznihilators who want to confiscate all of MurKKKa's gunz, melt them down and use the steel to make shackles and bars for the ObamaFEMA Camps? Did you know that they get grants from the Soros Foundation to suppress Eddy Eagle programs in hospital nurseries? True Story, I read it on the internetztoobz.
"Well where i live the cops take about 20 minutes my gun is always on me or next to me cause u cant count on anyone but yourself"
So, you're always armed. I hope you're also a highly skilled surgeon and trauma doc as well as possessing heightened senses of hearing and an eagle eye, just in case some vague-o-perp is sneaking up on your house in his ghillie suit.
A fail troll is a fail troll.
DeleteI got one for you. Put a sign on your door that says "Gun Free Household!" This way, I get to keep my gun locked up because a criminal will happily break into your house. Sound good?
DeleteYes im always armed partly cause my job requires me to be and i also know when to shoot and when to just pull my gun
Delete"A fail troll is a fail troll."
ReplyDeleteComing from a sockpuppet that is particularly funny.
"I got one for you. Put a sign on your door that says "Gun Free Household!" This way, I get to keep my gun locked up because a criminal will happily break into your house. Sound good?"
I got one for you. Lock the doors, invest in an alarm system with a "makes ya wanna puke" 160 db "alert", get a cute little 15 pound "alarm system" like my roommate, Buddy (added benefit, playing with, walking, grooming and watching little doggies sleep lowers one's blood pressure) stop buying into the notion that carrying a gun, concealed or not, is keeping you safe.
Oh, I know you think that whole idea is cockamamie. Greggie Campin'outonplanetgunzloon is always quick to tell us how many firearms owners DIDN'T ever kill or hurt nobody. Well, here's the other side of that one:
No KIDS have ever been hurt or killed by teh gunz in houses where there ain't none.
And I suppose that no child has ever been killed by a home invader? And no child has been killed by a guard dog. And every family can afford the kind of security system--including the monthly fees--that you described. And no criminal can ever defeat a lock.
DeleteDemocommie, you have nothing to be self-righteous about.
I'll keep my guns, but thanks for the recomendation
DeleteA skilled burglar will find a way to enter any structure that he (or she) pleases, regardless of structural security precautions. A locked door simply requires that a potential burglar cause greater damage to one home, in order to gain access. The deterrence of ones surroundings (such as armed neighbors) is more likely to repel a potential thief or assailant as opposed to feeble doors and irritating alarms.
DeleteAlso, a Beretta doesn't crap on the rug.....
Ian
But watch were you get that Hoppes #9...
DeleteI'd rather have guns my kids cant hurt themselves with than to let myself become a victim. I am glad the crusty old troll has never had any violence used against him and he lives in a pretty nice bubble of perfectness where nothing ever terrible happens, but I don't. We move every few years for the military, and we usually end up living in crappy areas due to the location of bases.
ReplyDeleteWere you in nam troll?
"Were you in nam troll?"
ReplyDeleteNo, fuckface, and I doubt that you were either unless you've been in the military for something like 40 years.
I have no idea why you would bring that up except to prove that you're a man and I'm not--which attempt is a massive fail, btw--but I admit I could be wrong and you have no idea why you brought it up either.
"I am glad the crusty old troll has never had any violence used against him and he lives in a pretty nice bubble of perfectness where nothing ever terrible happens,"
I live in the same fucking world as you do, dickhead. I live in a decent neighborhood at the moment, nothing spectacular. I've lived in some shitholes in my life. I've been threatened a few times and been able to not get myself shot, beaten up, stabbed with a butcher knife or run off the road by a car driven by someone who was really pissed off because I didn't signal before turning right. I haven't remained whole and relatively unscathed because I'm smarter, stronger, more vigilant or more courageous than someone else. I've remained that way because I try not to do things that are monumentally stupid or go out of my way to piss people off because I know, if push comes to shove--I got me a fuckin' gun!
I've been "cautioned" by virtually every asshole gunzloon that visits this blog, at one time or another, about not havin' a gun and making threats or pissing people off. Well, I guess if you guys think I'm liable to get shot by some fucking douchebag who can't be a man without a gun, it says a lot more about your cowardice than it does about "an armed society being a polite society.".
"I'd rather have guns my kids cant hurt themselves with than to let myself become a victim."
Dream on. Kids, if they get their hands on gunz, will figure out how to use them. If the gunz are so safe that the kidz can't use them, what happens when you're not there and the home invadin' hordes attack? Yeah, I know, plan "B". You fellers allus got a plan "B".
I've got a newsflash for you, bud; most people don't give in to their fear of being attacked to the extent that they carry a fucking gun everywhere they go. Those of us who don't carry gunz are the majority. The assholes who are so frightened of the unknown that is every moment of most of our lives are in the minority.
I go through my day without fear, and I don't do anything with a gun that I wouldn't do without one. The same is true about many of the carry license holders that I know. You're welcome to make your own choices, but it would be good if you'd stop advocating for taking our choice away.
DeleteNow that's bullshit, Greg. You are riddled with fear. Fear of your own fantasies. Why the hell else would you carry a gun that you don't need?
DeleteI carry a gun not out of fear but out of need cause in my experience you get in more trouble for stabbing someone in self-defense then you do by wielding gun
DeleteIt's funny, no one ever admits to having been a fearful, insecure man prior to arming themselves.
DeleteMikeb, you're practicing psychology without a license again. You've never met me. I've told you many times why I carry. It's not out of fear. It's out of a rational calculation of things that could happen.
DeleteMikeb,
DeleteKnowing that airbags are not mandated by the EU (and that safety devices are rather uncommon in European cars), does your car have an airbag? If the Italian government did not require that you do so, would you buckle your seat belt? Are your vaccinations up to date?
All of the above are precautions against a potential threat (be it automobile accidents or a measles epidemic) which are taken in a similar manner, to the practice of keeping a (properly secured) weapon in one's home or place of business, as a means of defending against (and deterring) home invasion and robbery. Arming oneself as a means of personal security has become a widespread practice, which has been adopted by individuals (such as women, homosexuals, physically handicapped persons, and minorities) who do not fit your "redneck" stereotype, who seek to use weapons as a rational precaution against the violence that they often find themselves the victims of.
Ian
Some precautions against possible threats are reasonable, some are not. Your ideas about guns are more like the precautions some paranoid people take against meteorite strikes.
DeleteMikeb, are you claiming that violent crime is as rare as a meteor strike? If so, why do you oppose guns? Shootings, a subcategory of violence, must be exceedingly rare.
DeleteYes, Greg, I am. Unless you live in the ghetto or service ATM machines at night your chances of being the victim are nearly zero. The fear is all in your head.
Delete"A skilled burglar will find a way to enter any structure that he (or she) pleases, regardless of structural security precautions. A locked door simply requires that a potential burglar cause greater damage to one home, in order to gain access. The deterrence of ones surroundings (such as armed neighbors) is more likely to repel a potential thief or assailant as opposed to feeble doors and irritating alarms."
ReplyDeleteBoy, you guyz really do cling to your gunz and gunzmythz. A skilled burglar will NOT attempt to enter a home that has an alarm system, or damage a door or window to enter unless he is going there for a specific reason. So you don't lock your doors? just in case a burglar might show up? You don't want him to break down the door before you shoot him?
Does your comment mean that you don't take any precautions while you're home, to secure your property? What about if you step out for a few minutes--just to go down to Bullets'r'Us to replenish your ammo supplies--and leave one of your children home; do you hand them a gun or tell them to lock the doors until you return? What about when they go to school or on a playdate or some other outing with other people? Do you make sure that they're armed? I mean we know that the world is a dangerous place and how're you gonna protect your loved ones if you're not there? I'm sure it's far better to give an eight year old a Glock than it is to send him out Scaryworld unarmed.
"Also, a Beretta doesn't crap on the rug..... "
Neither does my roommate, unless he's ill. An "accidental discharge" from him doesn't require patching up the walls or getting out a body bag.
"I carry a gun not out of fear but out of need cause in my experience you get in more trouble for stabbing someone in self-defense then you do by wielding gun."
What, you've stabbed people and gotten in trouble for it, or you know someone who stabbed somebody and got in trouble for it? Is the reasont that there was "trouble" something to do with a live victim filing a complaint or testifying in court, against the knife wielder. If that were the case I can see where you might want to shoot them intead of stabbing them. It's MUCH easier to kill someone--without the killer getting hurt in the process--with a gun than it is with a knife.