Sunday, July 28, 2013

Pedro Vargas, Concealed Carry Permit Holder, Lawful Gun Owner Kills 6 in Hialeah Florida

Pedro Vargas

Local NBC News reports

Officials identified the shooter involved in a hostage situation at a Hialeah apartment complex as 42-year-old Pedro Vargas at a press conference Saturday.
SWAT officers shot and killed Vargas after he killed six people in an apartment building in Hialeah, just a few miles north of Miami, ending an hours-long standoff early Saturday, Hialeah Police said.
The funny thing is gun-rights fanatics want fewer restriction on gun ownership and who can carry them, not more.
What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

9 comments:

  1. Notice how out of the more than 8,000,000 people licensed to carry, you only find a handful in a year who do something wrong with their guns? I know that you speculate all over the place, but you can only prove a tiny number. But hey, whatever it takes to violate rights, yes?

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    1. That's why you love that right to secrecy so much.

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    2. Mikeb, the police have access to the list of carry license holders. What I object to is publishing that list to the general public. Cops need the list. You don't.

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    3. And the cops, with the access to that list, do the permit revocations when appropriate. That's where we get our stats on the low percentages.

      There really is no need to release every permit holder's name and personal information just to let you double check their work.

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    4. "The cops" are the ones who have access to the list. And in this matter you trust that they're competent at their jobs and on the ball. That's convenient.

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    5. Show places where they aren't and pressure them to get on the ball if you think they're slacking off.

      In Tennessee, it's all done by computer. Every month or so, the computer compares the pertinent records to the list of permit holders and sends the revocations to the department of safety who send out letters revoking permits. They do this for anything from committing crimes to being delinquent on child support. The whole system is automated, as I learned when we had to clear up an issue where a revocation was based on faulty information (arrest where all charges were dropped). Computers can be fed bad data, but they aren't known for being too lazy to do the work.

      Also, before you say, "A-ha! But the cops are putting in bad data!" Yes, they're being too lazy to go in and update the records when someone is acquitted or has charges dropped, so it results in inappropriate revocations and denials. This problem results because they automatically put people in the system but are too lazy to take them out. They can't get away with being too lazy to put them in--they'd quickly get into trouble if they had inmates who they couldn't pull a file on to say why they were in the jail.

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    6. Mikeb, these would be the cops that you want us to trust to keep us safe? This would be the cops that are acceptable possessors of weapons? You trust them when it's good for your argument.

      By contrast, I say that the police do a good job, but they can't be everywhere at once. Nor would we want them to be.

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  2. Spoken like a true Ted Nugent
    A life means nothing to Ted Nugent

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