Monday, October 28, 2013

Phoenix Gun Owner Kills Family Next Door and Himself - 5 Dead

The Chicago Tribune

A man who killed four members of a neighboring family and their two dogs with a shotgun before taking his own life over the weekend in Arizona may have been sent into a rage by the dogs' barking, police said on Sunday.

But police said what drove 56-year-old Michael Guzzo of Phoenix to carry out the shooting frenzy may never be known for certain, as both he and his victims, who ranged in age from 17 to 66 and lived next door, were dead before officers arrived.


"It appears he had some issues with barking dogs," said Phoenix police spokesman Sergeant Tommy Thompson. "If true, it does not justify killing four people."

23 comments:

  1. Did you read the article about the mother and four children stabbed to death in Brooklyn?

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    1. That's supposed to prove what? Besides trolling and trying to change the subject of this post.

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    2. Greg keeps trying to impress us with how lethal knife attacks are. According to him, they are right up there with guns. He lives in a fantasy world.

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    3. I live in the real world, and I make relevant comments here. The point is that people with ill intent will find a way. I favor letting good people defend themselves.

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    4. What's relevent about knife deaths when the post was about gun deaths?

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    5. Greg, you're prevaricating again. Guns are used in nearly 70% of all murders, not knives. When you start looking at multiple murders, the percentage goes up. So, fuck off with the knife bullshit.

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    6. Your obsession about guns blinds you to reality. Human beings have a violent streak that gun control will not remove.

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    7. The blindness is yours Greg. Guns are involved in most murders. That's why we need better gun control. But you wanna talk about knives or about violent streaks. I wonder why?

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    8. Because I point out to you when you are oversimplifying things, and I want to get to the real problem.

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  2. Knife control should be relevant to Mike, but he doesn't talk about it. It's fair to ask why. Yes, guns are used more often than knives to kill, but it's still a substantial portion of all murders, and something could easily be done about it (according to Mike logic). There are very little knife laws in this country- much much less than gun laws and certainly not proportionate to the amount of damage they do. There are age restrictions on purchase, and regional carry laws, and of course "knife free zones", and that's about it. No restrictions on felons, or those adjudicated mentally ill, no background check, no bans on "military features", and a completely untegulated private resale market.

    I could understand why Mike would think guns should be more regulated than knives, but he should at least call for today's gun control laws for knives while championing his "proper gun control" list for firearms. Why not, Mike? It would save lives, right?

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    1. You should go to the knife control blog. I'm into gun control.

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    2. So you don't think knives should be regulated at all? Or since this is a "gun control/Captain Beefheart" blog, you refuse to give your opinion on anything else?

      There are 1700 knife murders a year. If that were the count of gun murders instead of 8000, would you be a "shall not be infringed", 3per calling for the repeal of the NFA?

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    3. I just looked for a knife control blog to post on, but couldn't find even one. Sure four times as many people are murdered using a gun, and since there are four gun control blogs, shouldn't there be one knife control blog? Why does no body care about well over a thousand deaths a year using these basically unregulated weapons? Regulation saves lives, right?

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    4. You're right. There's a great need for knife control.

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  3. I'll add auto-opening knives (switch blades) as a correction to my point about bans. Bans vary from state to state, but no where near to the extent of full-auto gun regulation.

    Of course I think these bans should be repealed, and Mike probably thinks we need a comprehensive ban on the federal level to stop the steel pipeline across state lines.

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  4. They sure love to change the subject. Which usually proves they cannot defend their gun stance.

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    1. If he can't apply his logic to other subjects, what does that say about his logic? By dodging the question with his "we only talk about gun control on this blog" cop out, he shows that he can't defend his gun stance. I think Mike knows adding background checks to the sales of Henkels won't do squat, so he'd rather not comment.

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    2. I favor the Weaver stance myself. But the key point here is that gun control freaks are obsessed with guns, while failing to recognize that there are many dangers that are beyond the ability of a free society to control

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    3. Yes, there may be a great need for knife control which is being neglected. How does that invalidate my position on gun control?

      TS, this nonsense direction you've taken us in is nothing more than obfuscation and diversion.

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    4. So long as you are being serious, it doesn’t invalidate your position on gun control. To be consistent, you need to support some type of increased regulations on knives because you believe it would save lives- a substantial amount of lives (you just praised the EU for calling for more gun control over 1000 deaths, while the USA knife murder rate is double that). It doesn’t have to be the same regulation, you could call for tight controls on guns, and moderate controls on knives, but if you don’t support something basic like adding prohibited person status and background checks to verify, then yes, you would be invalidating your gun control position.

      I am not trying to divert- we are talking about you being consistent in your principles.

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    5. So because no one is talking about knife deaths, that makes the issue of gun deaths void, or unworthy of individual discussion? The post was about gun deaths, not knife deaths. Write a post about knife deaths, I will comment there when you post it.

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    6. TS, when exactly were we talking about me being consistent? Not until you brought up the bogus bullshit about knives and tried to make it about that.

      The blog is about gun rights and gun control, mainly.

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    7. There are many dangers that are within our ability to control, or at least lesson the effects and deaths, that some refuse to even consider.

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