I think you need to look up the definition of smarmy. It has nothing to do with whether he was right on all counts or not, which by the way, is debatable. One thing he got very wrong is that "stand your ground" played no part in the trial. You lying gun lunatics always tried to deny that.
You're right. He said it exactly like that knowing that Stand your Ground was used in the jury instructions and that it is the law of the land in Florida. It played a major part in that trial even though the defense didn't specifically mention it. They didn't need to.
We've been over this thoroughly. The fact that Cruz and others are still trying to say in carefully worded statements that Stand your Ground didn't play a part in the trial is testament to their mendacity. And naturally you defend them. Lying dishonest birds of a feather you are.
Speaking precisely when done to deceive is a bad thing. Stand your ground was a major issue in the trial, as I and many others have pointed out. But guys like Cruz and the rest of you keep bringing up the fact that the defense didn't mention it in an attempt to deny the fact. It's typical mendacious bullshit on your part.
The defense didn't raise that at trial. The judge's instructions did not come from any claim that the defense made. But who cares? There's nothing wrong with Stand Your Ground.
Mentioning it in the jury instructions is incidental. If the facts of the case rested on SYG language, the defense would have hammered the jury with it, unless they're the world's worst legal team. "The judge instructed the jury to read the law, and I sure the jury will perfectly understand it and how it relates to the case, so there is no need for me to- you know... Present the case."
Mikeb, stop lying about me. I admitted no such thing. You keep taking comments on another point and forcing them into a pretend admission. But I'm not surprised, since that's the best your side can do in this debate.
In other words, she thinks Marissa Alexander, another black woman, should have served 20 years for firing a warning shot at her abusive, attacking husband. Seems kinda smarmy to me.
Marissaa Alexandra, was under court order to stay away from her estranged husband and his two chidren(not her's) home, she brought her newborn baby against court order to her estranged husbands home "to show the baby off".
Estranged daddy says "hey, WTF, he sure looks a lot like your former boyfriend?!?!?!?
Miss Loose thighs gets pissed and goes and gets a gun from her car, comes in and strts shooting at (not in the air) her estranged husband and his two preteen children...
Then gets herself arrested..... lies to the PO-PO,
According to court documents, on July 31, 2010, Alexander left her newborn child in the hospital days after giving birth to visit the home of Rico Gray, her husband. Although Gray and Alexander had just been married in May of 2010, Alexander had not lived in Gray’s home for the two months prior to the shooting. When Alexander arrived at the home, Gray was not there. She parked her car in the garage, spent the night in the home, but did not see Gray until he returned home the next morning with his two sons.
When Gray returned, the family ate breakfast together without incident. The trouble began when Alexander gave her phone to Gray so he could see pictures of their newborn, who was still in the hospital. After giving the phone to Gray, Alexander went to use the bathroom in the home’s master bedroom. While looking at the pictures, Gray noticed text messages between Alexander and her ex-husband, Lincoln Alexander, which prompted Gray to confront Alexander about whether the baby was his or Lincoln Alexander’s.
An argument then ensued between Gray and Alexander, and Gray initially prevented Alexander from leaving the bathroom during the altercation. Alexander eventually managed to get around Gray to exit the bathroom.
Alexander’s actions following that moment are what differentiate her case from that of George Zimmerman.
After Alexander exited the bathroom and re-entered the master bedroom, Gray left the bedroom and headed to the living room where his sons were located. At that point, Alexander left the master bedroom, passing Gray, his two children, and the unobstructed front and back doors of the house on her way to the garage. Once in the garage, she retrieved a handgun from her vehicle’s glove box and then went back into the kitchen, where she “pointed it in the direction of all three [v]ictims.” Although Gray put his hands in the air, Alexander fired the gun, “nearly missing [Gray's] head” and sending a bullet “through the kitchen wall and into the ceiling in the living room.”
Gray and his sons fled the home and immediately called 911. Alexander stayed in the home and never called 911.
Four months later She is still going back to the guy that she, "fears for her life".
The two of them together conspired and lied to get the charges reduced or dropped.......
Smarmy? Who the hell cares? What really is the definition?
He's lying through his teeth.
Zimmerman murdered Martin in cold blood. This ridiculous idea that nobody really knows what happened originated with the Simpson murder case. I think we all know what really happened that evening in Los Angeles.
We also know that Zimmerman murdered Martin.
Do you really believe in the concept of jury nullification trumping the English system of jurisprudence? Shame on you!
The evidence does not support Zimmerman. There is no evidence. No one knows exactly what happened. He got acquitted BECAUSE there was no evidence either way. A clear case of reasonable doubt. Note, the jurors are coming out saying they thought Zimmerman was guilty, but had no evidence to convict.
Denying the fact, that there are no facts, is a poor intellectual process to base a a decision on. I'll listen to the jurors who had the responsibility and the little facts available to make the decision.
Under cross examination by Zimmerman's lawyer, Good said he believes he saw Martin on top punching Zimmerman "MMA style," a reference to mixed martial arts.
"The person on top was ground and pounding the person on the bottom?"asked Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara.
Hey, Mikeb--check this video out. It has three of your favorite things: Ted Cruz, an AR-15, and bacon! And yeah--I find Cruz's insistence on referring to the AR-15 as a "machine gun" annoying as hell (he ought to know much better), but the video's good points outweigh that objection.
Now if he'd lube the bore of the rifle with the bacon grease thus produced, it would turn the AR into an even better jihadi-buster!
Where's the smarmy part? He was right on all counts in the segment here.
ReplyDeleteI think you need to look up the definition of smarmy. It has nothing to do with whether he was right on all counts or not, which by the way, is debatable. One thing he got very wrong is that "stand your ground" played no part in the trial. You lying gun lunatics always tried to deny that.
DeleteHe said the defense did not raise Stand Your Ground at the trial. I know what smarmy means. I'm asking you to defend your assertion.
DeleteYou're right. He said it exactly like that knowing that Stand your Ground was used in the jury instructions and that it is the law of the land in Florida. It played a major part in that trial even though the defense didn't specifically mention it. They didn't need to.
DeleteWe've been over this thoroughly. The fact that Cruz and others are still trying to say in carefully worded statements that Stand your Ground didn't play a part in the trial is testament to their mendacity. And naturally you defend them. Lying dishonest birds of a feather you are.
Carefully worded? So speaking correctly is a bad thing in your opinion? Well, you demonstrate that with your arguments for gun control.
DeleteSpeaking precisely when done to deceive is a bad thing. Stand your ground was a major issue in the trial, as I and many others have pointed out. But guys like Cruz and the rest of you keep bringing up the fact that the defense didn't mention it in an attempt to deny the fact. It's typical mendacious bullshit on your part.
DeleteThe defense didn't raise that at trial. The judge's instructions did not come from any claim that the defense made. But who cares? There's nothing wrong with Stand Your Ground.
DeleteMentioning it in the jury instructions is incidental. If the facts of the case rested on SYG language, the defense would have hammered the jury with it, unless they're the world's worst legal team. "The judge instructed the jury to read the law, and I sure the jury will perfectly understand it and how it relates to the case, so there is no need for me to- you know... Present the case."
DeleteRight...
Keep spinning it, boys. At least Greg finally admitted, "But who cares? There's nothing wrong with Stand Your Ground."
DeleteMikeb, stop lying about me. I admitted no such thing. You keep taking comments on another point and forcing them into a pretend admission. But I'm not surprised, since that's the best your side can do in this debate.
DeleteIn other words, she thinks Marissa Alexander, another black woman, should have served 20 years for firing a warning shot at her abusive, attacking husband. Seems kinda smarmy to me.
ReplyDeleteorlin sellers
Marissaa Alexandra, was under court order to stay away from her estranged husband and his two chidren(not her's) home, she brought her newborn baby against court order to her estranged husbands home "to show the baby off".
ReplyDeleteEstranged daddy says "hey, WTF, he sure looks a lot like your former boyfriend?!?!?!?
Miss Loose thighs gets pissed and goes and gets a gun from her car, comes in and strts shooting at (not in the air) her estranged husband and his two preteen children...
Then gets herself arrested..... lies to the PO-PO,
Eff her stupid ass sideways she deserves prison.
That's a totally biased and twisted description of events, obviously motivated by racism.
DeleteEverything I was presented as evidence in the trial,
Deletehttp://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida
http://www.scribd.com/doc/89763280/Order-Denying-Defendants-Motion-for-Immunity-and-Motion-to-Dismiss
According to court documents, on July 31, 2010, Alexander left her newborn child in the hospital days after giving birth to visit the home of Rico Gray, her husband. Although Gray and Alexander had just been married in May of 2010, Alexander had not lived in Gray’s home for the two months prior to the shooting. When Alexander arrived at the home, Gray was not there. She parked her car in the garage, spent the night in the home, but did not see Gray until he returned home the next morning with his two sons.
When Gray returned, the family ate breakfast together without incident. The trouble began when Alexander gave her phone to Gray so he could see pictures of their newborn, who was still in the hospital. After giving the phone to Gray, Alexander went to use the bathroom in the home’s master bedroom. While looking at the pictures, Gray noticed text messages between Alexander and her ex-husband, Lincoln Alexander, which prompted Gray to confront Alexander about whether the baby was his or Lincoln Alexander’s.
An argument then ensued between Gray and Alexander, and Gray initially prevented Alexander from leaving the bathroom during the altercation. Alexander eventually managed to get around Gray to exit the bathroom.
Alexander’s actions following that moment are what differentiate her case from that of George Zimmerman.
After Alexander exited the bathroom and re-entered the master bedroom, Gray left the bedroom and headed to the living room where his sons were located. At that point, Alexander left the master bedroom, passing Gray, his two children, and the unobstructed front and back doors of the house on her way to the garage. Once in the garage, she retrieved a handgun from her vehicle’s glove box and then went back into the kitchen, where she “pointed it in the direction of all three [v]ictims.” Although Gray put his hands in the air, Alexander fired the gun, “nearly missing [Gray's] head” and sending a bullet “through the kitchen wall and into the ceiling in the living room.”
Gray and his sons fled the home and immediately called 911. Alexander stayed in the home and never called 911.
Four months later She is still going back to the guy that she, "fears for her life".
The two of them together conspired and lied to get the charges reduced or dropped.......
All of this came out in court.
So other than a little literary embellishment how is what I wrote different than what was presented at trial?
DeleteSmarmy? Who the hell cares? What really is the definition?
ReplyDeleteHe's lying through his teeth.
Zimmerman murdered Martin in cold blood. This ridiculous idea that nobody really knows what happened originated with the Simpson murder case. I think we all know what really happened that evening in Los Angeles.
We also know that Zimmerman murdered Martin.
Do you really believe in the concept of jury nullification trumping the English system of jurisprudence? Shame on you!
And, had Martin killed Zimmerman you would say what?
Deleteorlin sellers
We know no such thing. The evidence strongly supports Zimmerman's account.
DeleteThe evidence does not support Zimmerman. There is no evidence. No one knows exactly what happened. He got acquitted BECAUSE there was no evidence either way. A clear case of reasonable doubt. Note, the jurors are coming out saying they thought Zimmerman was guilty, but had no evidence to convict.
DeleteA whole lot of beliefs--gun control being a prime example--require denial of evidence. I see you are familiar with that.
DeleteThat's cute Orlin. You're a lot of fun!
DeleteDenying the fact, that there are no facts, is a poor intellectual process to base a a decision on. I'll listen to the jurors who had the responsibility and the little facts available to make the decision.
DeleteTotally wrong, but cute
Deletehttp://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-beaten-prosecution-witnesses/story?id=19517236
ReplyDeleteUnder cross examination by Zimmerman's lawyer, Good said he believes he saw Martin on top punching Zimmerman "MMA style," a reference to mixed martial arts.
"The person on top was ground and pounding the person on the bottom?"asked Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara.
"Correct," said Good
Hey, Mikeb--check this video out. It has three of your favorite things: Ted Cruz, an AR-15, and bacon! And yeah--I find Cruz's insistence on referring to the AR-15 as a "machine gun" annoying as hell (he ought to know much better), but the video's good points outweigh that objection.
ReplyDeleteNow if he'd lube the bore of the rifle with the bacon grease thus produced, it would turn the AR into an even better jihadi-buster!