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The 12-year-old student who opened fire on a Nevada middle school campus, wounding two classmates and killing a teacher before he turned the gun on himself, got the weapon from his home, authorities said Tuesday.
Washoe County School District police said they are still working to determine how the boy obtained the 9mm semi-automatic Ruger handgun used in the Monday morning spree at Sparks Middle School. The boy's parents are cooperating with authorities and could face charges in the case, police said.
There should be no 'could face charges'; these people need to be facing charges. Unless it turns out there is some extraordinary circumstances -- like the kid dynamited the door off of a gun safe to get the weapon -- unless it is something that drastic, these parents should go to jail.
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame their son committed suicide, but it is also a damned double shame that their little killer kid murdered a teacher and gut shot one classmate, and shoulder shot another first.
Ultimately, given the rate for adolescent and teen males to engage in gun violence, ESPECIALLY suicide, the decision to have a firearm in the home with a kid is a situation with a high probability for some kind of problem to occur.
So, the smart and RESPONSIBLE decision is to choose - have a gun or have a male teen, but not both under the same roof.
We CHOOSE our mass shootings by choosing to have an excessive number of guns, not regulated, not required on pain of felony conviction to be secured. As Mike B has noted many times here before - EVERY gun starts out legal. Every gun in the hands of a prohibited person, like a child, is the result of a bad decision by the legal gun owner. Those countries that regulate firearms more effective and more extensively DON'T have these events, certainly not any gun violence for that matter, with the frequency that we do.
We're not free; we're all hostage to gun nut extremists. Enough. We can choose not to have any more of these shootings, and we can make that decision stick.
"EVERY gun starts out legal."
DeleteUnless you make them illegal. Then they start off being illegal, and that solves everything.
No, Miss Priss, we cannot. We won't give up our rights to satisfy your whims. We won't accept your view of the world. I, for one, will however take pleasure in seeing you continually frustrated.
DeleteWrong, TS. At the point of manufacture and transfer to the first FFl guy, all guns are legally owned. It's from there the trouble begins and you legal gun owners are always involved.
DeleteWhat are you doing anyway with that stupid comment, defending the gun owner in this story?
Mikeb, we have experience with prohibitions in this country. When something is banned or heavily restricted, the demand is met either through importation or illegal manufacture. Of course, there is also added a new layer of criminal violence, but that's a plus to the control freak.
DeleteWhat the fuck are you babbling about now, Greg. We're talking about the responsibility you lawful gun owners have in the problem of gun flow into criminal hands. We're not talking about prohibitions like the one against cocaine. Talk about a straw man argument - fuck.
DeleteMikeb, try to pay attention. As I've said many times before, we cannot keep guns out of this country. Even if you could magically impose strict checks and other restrictions on the current domestic supply, all someone would have to do is hide a gun in a bag of cocaine and ship it in.
DeleteYou're still talking about "keeping guns out of the country," which makes you the only one. We are not calling for that or anything like that.
DeleteKeep boxing at shadows. It makes you look really foolish.
Mikeb, your whole program targets law-abiding gun owners. Nothing that you propose will disarm criminals. That's the point that I keep making here.
DeleteNo, on this thread the point you kept making was something else, something that didn't even make any sense. When cornered, you switch the argument to something general which is total bullshit anyway.
DeleteMikeb, Dog Gone repeated the claim that every gun starts out in the hands of a legal owner. My point in response to that is to remind you that even if you were to remove every gun from private hands in this country, more would come in across our borders.
DeleteBut, no one around here is trying to remove every gun from private hands, so your brilliant observation that in such a case more would come in across the borders is silly. The issue that you keep trying to divert us from is that you lawful gun owners are the ones responsible for arming the bad guys.
DeleteSo far, the police haven't released any information about how accessable the gun was. To arrest or charge someone you need to have evidence, which is likely what they're working on at present.
ReplyDeleteDog Gone's opening statement:
"There should be no 'could face charges'; these people need to be facing charges. Unless it turns out there is some extraordinary circumstances -- like the kid dynamited the door off of a gun safe to get the weapon -- unless it is something that drastic, these parents should go to jail."
is pretty interesting. Does Adam Lanza's mother being murdered count as extraordinary enough? How closely held this information is being held, compared to the Newtown shooting is impressive in its effectiveness. Makes me wonder why.
Dog Gone made a good point about blasting the gun safe open with dynamite. Chances are the gun was not stored properly, which is par for the course in most of these stories.
DeleteIf Nancy Lanza had not been murdered she should be in jail right now. She fucked up with her guns. The sick boy didn't kill her AND THEN have access to the guns. He had access first.
Interesting that you have neglected to discuss the teacher killed by a student with a box cutter in Massachusetts.
ReplyDeleteYou'd have to go to one of the box cutter blogs for that, I suppose. Of course I could post it under the heading of "If he'd had a gun it would have been a mass shooting instead of a single stabbing."
DeleteThe point is that killings will still happen. Gun control is no magic solution. If you'd focus on the real problems, you'd be more effective.
DeleteMass killings almost always happens with guns. Gun control is indeed needed. Certainly a single knife murder does not argue against it.
DeleteAnd the vast majority of gun murders are one-on-one. You use mass shootings as an argument for gun control and then huff and puff when I point out that there are other ways to kill someone, but single killings are by far the most common, regardless of the method used, and that tells me that we need to address violent crime, not tools.
DeleteYou were saying what again, Mikeb:
Deletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/27/new-york-city-stabbings_n_4167488.html
Of course single killings are the majority, and nearly 70% of them happen with guns. Knives are nothing in comparison whether you're talking about mass shootings or single killings.
DeleteYou can count the mass knifings on one hand. Mass shootings are frequent.
Like that kid who killed his mom and dad when they told him to take out the garbage. Give your kid a weapon, you lose control of the kid permanently. Of course, it's good when some kid acts as the agent of Darwin and thins the gunsuck herd.
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