Thursday, December 5, 2013

Lawful Gun Owner in Arkansas Does Triple Murder and Suicide

Local news reports

Police say a grandfather killed his two grandchildren and his daughter’s boyfriend in a shooting Tuesday afternoon in rural Crawford County. 

 Crawford County Sheriff Ron Brown said Tim Adams, believed to be in his early 50s, then killed himself after shooting his 4-month-old grandson, 4-year-old granddaughter and the boyfriend of his daughter. 

 Brown said when Adams’ daughter, boyfriend and two children drove up to the home Tuesday afternoon, 

 Adams came outside carrying a gun. He fired a shot, wounding the woman’s boyfriend, and then shot the 4-month-old boy, who was in a carseat in the back seat of the vehicle, Brown said. The woman grabbed the wounded infant and exited the car, running into the home, Brown said. 

 Adams pursued her, firing shots as she fled with the infant, before he returned to the front yard and shot his 4-year-old granddaughter, Brown said. “(The boyfriend) was in the front passenger seat of the vehicle when he was shot,” Brown said. 

 “He exited the vehicle after being shot and died in the yard. It looked like he tried to run into the house as well.” Adams’ daughter was not wounded, Brown said.  

I'll bet he had a concealed carry permit too, but after all this, who's checking? Especially in cases where the permit holder ends up dead, no one cares any more if he had a CCW permit or a library card or anything else.  What's the difference?
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  1. ssgmarkcrDecember 5, 2013 at 7:14 AM

    "CCSO says Adams shot Michael Williams with a shotgun as he was in the car with his girlfriend and the two children. Adams then shot the 4-month-old child, who was still strapped in the car seat, Brown says.
    Adams then shot the 4-year-old girl in the back as she was running through the front yard, Sheriff Brown told KFSM, before going to the back yard, where he spoke briefly to deputies, and then turned the shotgun on himself and pulled the trigger."
    http://www.arkansasmatters.com/story/sheriff-man-shoots-2-grandchildren-other-adult-bef/d/story/vxOQEtavYkatqwJr5XdkPw

    It doesn't sound like a carry permit had a single thing to do with this since he didn't use a handgun.

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    1. UnknownDecember 5, 2013 at 9:51 AM

      All the more reason to not bother checking, eh?

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    2. ssgmarkcrDecember 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM

      I know it does get checked here in Minnesota and documented in an annual report. Perhaps someone else knows if this is done in Arkansas.

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    3. Greg CampDecember 5, 2013 at 7:49 PM

      I haven't seen a report like that here, but Texas Colt Carry showed us the one from his state.

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    4. UnknownDecember 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM

      It's the integrity of those reports that I have doubts about. You know the old GIGI thing, right?

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    5. Greg CampDecember 5, 2013 at 8:59 PM

      You trust law enforcement to issue carry and ownership licenses and to handle gun control, but you don't trust law enforcement to enter criminal convictions into a report? Curious.

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    6. UnknownDecember 7, 2013 at 9:56 AM

      You're using the term "law enforcement" rather loosely, don't you think? The folks who erroneously fill out those forms are not "law enforcement." The folks who manage the may-issue system would be drawn from law enforcement and be overseen by appeals boards and judges.

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    7. Greg CampDecember 7, 2013 at 6:04 PM

      Mikeb, have you worked in a bureaucracy before? The same people who enter data into the crime reports would be the ones who decide who gets a license and who doesn't.

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    8. AnonymousDecember 8, 2013 at 8:02 AM

      Bureaucracy (people) is an endless circle of mistakes. We put detailed regulations on job tasks and most workers don't go beyond that.
      Every time a serious incident happens (mass shooting) we ask, were there no signs? Most times there were, and many times those signs were documented. Obviously the response of other people involved was not enough, or negligent.
      Given the numbers, the government does a pretty good job tracking public data for medical, taxes, cars, property, crime, etc., etc..

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  2. Greg CampDecember 5, 2013 at 7:18 AM

    Mikeb, once again, you speculate without limit. You have no evidence that he had a carry license. But when rights don't matter to you, why care about facts?

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  3. ssgmarkcrDecember 5, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    Mike,
    You might want to change your title, This didn't happen in Oklahoma. It was Arkansas.

    "Crawford County Sheriff Ron Brown said Tim Adams shot his 4-month-old grandson, 4-year-old granddaughter and the boyfriend of his daughter at Adams' home near Alma in western Arkansas, The Southwest Times Record newspaper reported."

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