We should regulate the manufacture of those products to guarantee that the labels correctly identify the contents. In the case of firearms, we should guarantee that they are made without mechanical defects and are according to the promised design. But there are other agencies to do those jobs.
You're all over the place, man. In this moment you're back into the ridiculous position of preaching "no regulations." Other times you agree we do need some.
I've said this all along. But I'm going to resist additions, especially since gun control freaks are never willing to give anything that we really want.
The things useful that the ATF does could be done by the FBI. There's an advantage to having an agency with more to do than meddle in things that shouldn't be federal concerns in the first place.
I'm not a follower of LaPierre of any kind. I'm not a follower, period. I see the ATF as an unnecessary agency in a government that loves to expand the number and scope of agencies to increase its power.
Notice what he said about pockets of violence? We don't have a gun problem. We have a problem of violence concentrated in particular areas. Deal with those, and leave good citizens alone.
It's the law abiding gun owners who are supplying the guns that are used in those pockets of violence. That's why you guys need to be regulated better. If you were as responsible as you say additional regulations would not be necessary.
How many times have we talked about the combination of factors that contribute to gun violence and violence in general? You're making our discussions tedious again. I guess that's all you got.
And in all those discussions, you've never convinced me that guns are even a cause. Guns are the incidental tool. But your side isn't interested in doing the hard work to get at the actual causes.
Greg, of course I've never convinced you that "guns are the cause," for the simple reason that I don't say that. Gun availability is one of the factors in the violence. That's what I say.
But on your main point, you left out words that are important in what I said. You've never convinced me that guns are "even a cause." We had violence long before guns came about. In fact, if Stephen Pinker is correct, the days gone by were much more violent than recent times. That's why I say that guns are incidental to the problem. You want to go after guns, but that's a side question. The real thing to work on is what encourages people to be violent.
Greg, you just say that as a way of avoiding what should be done about gun availability to unfit people. The fact is we already do many things to address the violent-people problem. You keep pretending it's an all or nothing thing. Perhaps we need to do more about the violence but we also need to make it harder for those dangerous people to get guns.
I'm more concerned about reducing the number of unfit people through law enforcement, education, and mental health services than I am willing to do something that would solve no problems and would violate many rights.
Typical lying bullshit from the site criminal lying coward. Regulations do not eliminate, or violate your rights. Certainly those efforts do solve some of the problems. You seem to think that unless they solve 100% of a problem, they they are useless. Since nothing will solve 100% of a problem, your point is a simple straw man to distort a factual conversation.
That's right, what Greg said is typical lying bullshit. He knows, and has admitted as much, that gun control would do something about the problem. He doesn't want it because it would inconvenience him too much, reduce his freedom, as he puts it. But in order to make his unreasonable argument against gun control he SAYS it would solve nothing.
I don't want you to go away, Greg. If I wanted that you'd already be gone.
Besides, I like pointing out your lies and distortions. It affords me the chance to repeat my favorite question: if you really were in the "right," why do you have to exaggerate, spin, distort, twist, downplay and lie continually?
ATF? It should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
ReplyDeleteWe should get rid of all regulations of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms?
DeleteYeah, Greg, can you elaborate on that asinine statement?
DeleteWe should regulate the manufacture of those products to guarantee that the labels correctly identify the contents. In the case of firearms, we should guarantee that they are made without mechanical defects and are according to the promised design. But there are other agencies to do those jobs.
DeleteYou're all over the place, man. In this moment you're back into the ridiculous position of preaching "no regulations." Other times you agree we do need some.
DeleteI've said this all along. But I'm going to resist additions, especially since gun control freaks are never willing to give anything that we really want.
DeleteIf you had a clue as to what the ATF does, which you do not. Another attempt by you to eliminate more laws, you don't follow anyways.
DeleteThe things useful that the ATF does could be done by the FBI. There's an advantage to having an agency with more to do than meddle in things that shouldn't be federal concerns in the first place.
DeleteLike a good sycophantic follower of the blow hard La Pierre, you hate the ATF but fail to convincingly explain why.
DeleteI'm not a follower of LaPierre of any kind. I'm not a follower, period. I see the ATF as an unnecessary agency in a government that loves to expand the number and scope of agencies to increase its power.
DeleteWill you call for an end to the NRA as well as an end the ATF?
DeleteNo response from the lying criminal coward.
DeleteNotice what he said about pockets of violence? We don't have a gun problem. We have a problem of violence concentrated in particular areas. Deal with those, and leave good citizens alone.
ReplyDeleteSo, no matter where the violence is, guns have no part in the violence?
DeleteIt's the law abiding gun owners who are supplying the guns that are used in those pockets of violence. That's why you guys need to be regulated better. If you were as responsible as you say additional regulations would not be necessary.
DeleteMikeb, you still won't explain why guns feel the need to migrate to those areas. Why not stay home and do their wicked deeds?
DeleteHow many times have we talked about the combination of factors that contribute to gun violence and violence in general? You're making our discussions tedious again. I guess that's all you got.
DeleteAnd in all those discussions, you've never convinced me that guns are even a cause. Guns are the incidental tool. But your side isn't interested in doing the hard work to get at the actual causes.
DeleteTypical, Greg refuses to answer the question, but declares he is correct. HA HA HA HA HA
DeleteGreg, of course I've never convinced you that "guns are the cause," for the simple reason that I don't say that. Gun availability is one of the factors in the violence. That's what I say.
DeleteFurther evidence that you are a (criminal?) liar.
Libel, Mikeb, libel.
DeleteBut on your main point, you left out words that are important in what I said. You've never convinced me that guns are "even a cause." We had violence long before guns came about. In fact, if Stephen Pinker is correct, the days gone by were much more violent than recent times. That's why I say that guns are incidental to the problem. You want to go after guns, but that's a side question. The real thing to work on is what encourages people to be violent.
Exactly!
DeleteGreg, you just say that as a way of avoiding what should be done about gun availability to unfit people. The fact is we already do many things to address the violent-people problem. You keep pretending it's an all or nothing thing. Perhaps we need to do more about the violence but we also need to make it harder for those dangerous people to get guns.
DeleteI'm more concerned about reducing the number of unfit people through law enforcement, education, and mental health services than I am willing to do something that would solve no problems and would violate many rights.
DeleteTypical lying bullshit from the site criminal lying coward.
DeleteRegulations do not eliminate, or violate your rights. Certainly those efforts do solve some of the problems. You seem to think that unless they solve 100% of a problem, they they are useless. Since nothing will solve 100% of a problem, your point is a simple straw man to distort a factual conversation.
That's right, what Greg said is typical lying bullshit. He knows, and has admitted as much, that gun control would do something about the problem. He doesn't want it because it would inconvenience him too much, reduce his freedom, as he puts it. But in order to make his unreasonable argument against gun control he SAYS it would solve nothing.
DeleteMikeb, my offer stands. Show that I have lied, and I'll go away.
DeleteHe just did. Go away lying criminal coward.
DeleteI don't want you to go away, Greg. If I wanted that you'd already be gone.
DeleteBesides, I like pointing out your lies and distortions. It affords me the chance to repeat my favorite question: if you really were in the "right," why do you have to exaggerate, spin, distort, twist, downplay and lie continually?
Dam good question. Any answer Greg? Of course not.
DeleteYes, keep him around just to prove what a lying criminal coward he is.
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