The voters, legislators and policy makers in each state are, for the most part, products of that state's education system. Where ignorance prevails, you can expect ignorant and backwards gun policies. Where enlightenment and advancement is more prevalent, you can expect the opposite.
| Well Above Average | 1 | Massachusetts | 4.82 |
| 2 | Minnesota | 4.06 | |
| 3 | New Jersey | 4.04 | |
| 4 | New Hampshire | 4.01 | |
| 5 | New York | 3.94 | |
| Above Average | 6 | Virginia | 3.73 |
| 7 | Maryland | 3.57 | |
| 8 | Connecticut | 3.28 | |
| 9 | Indiana | 3.28 |
Of the top nine states, 5 have decent gun control laws
| Far Below Average | 42 | Oklahoma | 2.01 |
| 43 | Nebraska | 1.97 | |
| 44 | Nevada | 1.93 | |
| 45 | Arizona | 1.91 | |
| 46 | New Mexico | 1.72 | |
| 47 | Alabama | 1.60 | |
| 48 | Louisiana | 1.59 | |
| 49 | West Virginia | 1.58 | |
| 50 | Mississippi | 1.11 |
Of the bottom nine, every single one is a gun-friendly paradise.
Interesting that two gun control nirvanas rank below average, those being California and Hawaii. There are likely many other coincidental correlations in regard s to these states, but there is no way to prove any real causation.
ReplyDelete"coincidental correlations" that's a good one? I wonder if TS would approve of that as a technical term.
DeleteEh, the word "coincidental" is a little redundant, but no big deal. I think he's just trying to emphasize that correlation does not equal causation.
DeleteYou miscounted, Mikeb. That's four states in the top nine with decent gun laws. And since gun laws are good in forty of the fifty states, once again, you have failed at math.
ReplyDeleteWhich one of MA, NJ, NY, CT and MD did you leave out? I'd even say VA and MN are close calls. Not so with the dumbest states. They're all gun-lovin' maniacs.
DeleteMinnesota has shall issue permits, recently voted down universal background checks, and allows permit holders to carry in the Capitol with a one time prior notification. Which one of those makes it a close call?
DeleteDon't let Japete hear you say what you just said. She would certainly not agree with you.
Mikeb, you just named the bad states. Try again.
DeleteGreg, are you ignoring my question. You said 4, I said 5. Please explain.
Deletess, what would japete disagree with, that I don't consider MN a loose gun state?
DeleteMikeb, you said that five states in that list have decent gun control laws. That's wrong. The five states have repressive laws. Four have good gun laws.
DeleteThis is why I call you a tedious pain in the ass. You knew what I meant by "decent," but instead of honestly responding, you pretended to not get it.
DeleteAnd you know what I mean by decent, so you shouldn't have been confused.
DeleteWhat do you expect from the proven liar and criminal of this site?
DeleteAgain with your crappy methods. In this cases, there probably is a correlation though. I'll tell you what, I'll punch the SERI scores into my correlation spreadsheet to see what it is. Hang on...
ReplyDeleteAh, yes, there is a correlation coefficient of 0.44 between Brady scores and SERI scores (mild correlation). Don't say I never do anything nice for you.
It took me a day to stop laughing. There IS a correlation here but not in our other discussions, Hahahahahahaha.
DeleteYeah, that's what the math says. I never hide from the math. If the math says something you don't like, the best you can do is question the source of the numbers. Which is why in the past, I've questioned you on if you are challenging the Brady rating system, or the FBI crime data.
DeleteBut what are you saying here? You seem to agree with my math so long as it says something you like, and claim I am baffling you with statistical bullshit when the same calculations have a conclusion you don't like. And you call me biased?
It seems to me you use the math to your advantage. As a math master, you can do that and get away with it.
DeleteAnd you determined this by doing the math yourself and finding errors?
Delete"Doing the math," yeah that's the thing isn't it? How about just looking at the post and being honest about what you see? The least educated states are ALL gun-friendly. Just a "coincidence," is it?
DeleteMike, I said that in this case, the math shows a mild correlation. Are you so used to denying math that you can't help but spout on about how "look at all those gun friendly states" is so superior to proven statistical calculations that have been used for over a century (even when it shows a correlation)?
DeleteI said there is a correlation (which is better than you have for murder). Are you saying there is a causational relationship as well? That would mean if you pass more gun control in the south, their children will score better on math and science testing. Is that what you believe? Ironically, anyone who would conclude that isn't very good at math and science.
"That would mean if you pass more gun control in the south, their children will score better on math and science testing."
DeleteIs that really what it would mean? I don't think so, all due respect to you, Math Master. It seems to me that if there really were causation as well as correlation then it would mean if the students in Alabama and Louisiana scored better in math and science then their states would eventually have better gun control laws. You can't work it backwards, unless of course, you want to make an obviously ridiculous remark like you did.
You're right that causation can be directional (or it can work both ways as well). Yes you can "work it backwards" because that is exactly what you did. Normally your position is that gun control causes lower crime, but here you are working it backwards and saying math and science causes gun control. Sorry, I was hasty in my post, that's obviously what you meant.
DeleteWhat's the point though? You push for gun control by saying good things will happen, but in this case even if it were a causation, it would only provide you with new ways to denigrate the south (and not provide a benefit for passing the laws). I guess that's important to you.
Yes, I do like to denigrate the South, but it's a bit more than that. The huge difference between these two groups, in other words the overwhelming correlation between education level and sensible gun laws speaks badly of those who oppose those laws. That's what you don't like. It's gets personal.
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