I wouldn't go that far. I would simply recognize that gun murders are not the same as overall murders, although in the US, they're over two-thirds. And I would note that total numbers are not the same as the rate per 100,000, which would tell a more accurate, although same, story.
In a given year, some 27,000 to 30,000 in Japan commit suicide. Now, those may not be the correct figures, since Japanese law enforcement isn't too good about investigating difficult cases:
Greg, you're the liar, passing that Japanese report off as accurate. Even the article you provided the link to explains that many of those are actually murders. But that doesn't stop you from repeating the famous NRA talking point. Why don't you stop repeating lying bullshit and use you head for a change.
My point, which you always fail to address, is that Japan has a high rate of death by causes other than natural, despite its repressive gun laws. Whether those are suicides or murders isn't important. What does matter is that people still die at a high rate in Japan without guns.
Greg, what I keep telling you is it doesn't matter. Japan with it's history of honorable suicide makes it a shitty comparison to the US. But that doesn't stop you.
You're missing the point. People die of unnatural causes in Japan, regardless of gun control. The culture there is part of what motivates them, but the lack of guns doesn't prevent them from finding a way.
I don't know how reliable the numbers are, but what I've seen says that gunshots are in the mid-nineties for percentage of success, while hanging is ninety percent.
For a person to kill themselves by hanging they must make fairly elaborate preparations which gives them the time to think better of it. That's compared to picking up a gun and blowing your brains out in two seconds. Only a biased liar like you would put them on an equal footing.
Mikeb, this is what is annoying about your use of the word, lie. Tying a rope around a beam and climbing up on a chair doesn't take much effort. And jumping off that chair is a one-way trip. You want to see a difference, but that's a matter of judgement, not fact. I don't call you a liar for reaching a different conclusion from mine.
Well, I am calling you a liar because I cannot believe that you believe there's no difference between organizing a self-hanging and picking up a gun and killing yourself. You don't believe that but you pretend to. That's lying. It's one of your favorite types of lies, the others being the excessive exaggerating kind and the mischaracterizing what I say kind.
That is what I believe, but since psychoanalysis witout evidence is a characteristic of gun control freaks, I don't expect you to believe me. Calling me a liar requires proof.
Yes, the point being that the gun control side likes to be deceitful.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't go that far. I would simply recognize that gun murders are not the same as overall murders, although in the US, they're over two-thirds. And I would note that total numbers are not the same as the rate per 100,000, which would tell a more accurate, although same, story.
DeleteIn a given year, some 27,000 to 30,000 in Japan commit suicide. Now, those may not be the correct figures, since Japanese law enforcement isn't too good about investigating difficult cases:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/02/03/national/japans-suicide-statistics-dont-tell-the-real-story/#.UptiKieDlA0
So no, Mikeb, that isn't particularly catching to anyone who pays attention. Lying is the gun control way, though.
Greg, you're the liar, passing that Japanese report off as accurate. Even the article you provided the link to explains that many of those are actually murders. But that doesn't stop you from repeating the famous NRA talking point. Why don't you stop repeating lying bullshit and use you head for a change.
DeleteMy point, which you always fail to address, is that Japan has a high rate of death by causes other than natural, despite its repressive gun laws. Whether those are suicides or murders isn't important. What does matter is that people still die at a high rate in Japan without guns.
DeleteThere is a big difference between suicide and murder. The fact you find that not important tells us what NRA delusions you believe.
DeleteGreg, what I keep telling you is it doesn't matter. Japan with it's history of honorable suicide makes it a shitty comparison to the US. But that doesn't stop you.
DeleteYou're missing the point. People die of unnatural causes in Japan, regardless of gun control. The culture there is part of what motivates them, but the lack of guns doesn't prevent them from finding a way.
DeleteProof that a choice of weapons is the point. Americans choose guns.
DeleteMore guns means more successful suicides. There's no denying that.
DeleteI don't know how reliable the numbers are, but what I've seen says that gunshots are in the mid-nineties for percentage of success, while hanging is ninety percent.
DeleteFor a person to kill themselves by hanging they must make fairly elaborate preparations which gives them the time to think better of it. That's compared to picking up a gun and blowing your brains out in two seconds. Only a biased liar like you would put them on an equal footing.
DeleteMikeb, this is what is annoying about your use of the word, lie. Tying a rope around a beam and climbing up on a chair doesn't take much effort. And jumping off that chair is a one-way trip. You want to see a difference, but that's a matter of judgement, not fact. I don't call you a liar for reaching a different conclusion from mine.
DeleteWell, I am calling you a liar because I cannot believe that you believe there's no difference between organizing a self-hanging and picking up a gun and killing yourself. You don't believe that but you pretend to. That's lying. It's one of your favorite types of lies, the others being the excessive exaggerating kind and the mischaracterizing what I say kind.
DeleteThat is what I believe, but since psychoanalysis witout evidence is a characteristic of gun control freaks, I don't expect you to believe me. Calling me a liar requires proof.
DeleteThat proof has been given mant times. You are to much of a coward to address that proof, your own words.
DeleteOh, and I don't like wavy serrations. It just looks silly.
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