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#GOPWantsWar again. But they want to keep talking about #HilaryEmails & other conspiracies to distract you. VoteBlue! pic.twitter.com/vhxUEEFOWl
So Bush did it too. That doesn't excuse Hillary from doing it or rehabilitate her worthiness to be president. It just adds to the abuses of the Bush White House.Trying to use this, and then turn around and call the Hillary scandal a conspiracy theory that doesn't matter, shows that you're less concerned about the use of private e-mails and more about protecting your side. Sorry, but you've got no moral high ground to stand on here.
There is no scandal, she broke no law, she has turned over 55,000 emails. It's the Republicans trying to make something out of nothing, just like Benghazi.
And the constant denials continue. Nothing to see here--Bush was wrong when he did something similar, but Hillary is fine! Nothing went wrong in Benghazi--forget what the guys on the ground testified to. Nothing to the IRS scandal--forget that the supposedly unrecoverable e-mails were found within two weeks of an inspector looking for them (found in the backups that I said, on here, should be out there and should contain them).The capacity for Democratic denial is amazing.
There was no scandal when Bush did it. There's one now only because of the straw-grabbing Conservatives making it so.
Ah yes. No scandal at all. Hillary totally didn't try to use the White House e-mails to gain points in her campaign. Nobody was upset about it at the time. And ignore the post above, because nobody views the Bush thing as a real scandal now.Riiiiiiiight.
It's OK if you are partisan SJ, but don't falsely accuse Clinton when she has denied any wrongdoing, but not insist on investigating Jeb Bush when he admitted his private emails DID contain troop movements and other sensitive material. By the way, the Republicans themselves have said they could find no wrongdoing by Mrs. Clinton, even after multiple investigations of Benghazi.
Yes, SJ, you're pretty hypocritical on this one.
Hi, Mike. Sorry My reply didn't come a few days ago. I had a nasty bug and didn't feel like visiting.Regarding your charges of hypocrisy, please explain how I'm being hypocritical. But before you do, please not the date and time stamps on John's comment above and the comments by him and me on your blog's later post about Jeb Bush's e-mails.Before John posted the comment above I had written a comment saying that Jeb's actions showed that he was one more Bush who shouldn't be president (from that, yes, you may infer that I don't think W should have been either). You read this comment and approved its posting.After that, and almost 10 minutes before he posted the comment above, John read that comment of mine and replied to it.So, in light of my criticism of Jeb for doing and then minimizing the same thing I criticize Hillary for, where is the hypocrisy?
The hypocrisy is that there was never an issue with Bush W. or anyone else untill the Hillary fake scandal came up. Then you go on and on about how all of them were guilty, which is a transparent bullshit attempt to justify the attack on Hillary.
Mike, are you really suggesting that because no one gave Jeb Bush a hard time for his security lapses when he was Governor, that a Secratary of State should get a pass because of hers? And perhaps we should look at how each of the people involved are handling the various accusations. One is dragging their feet and saying "nothing to see here folks", while additional information keeps popping up to show inaccuracies in these statements. The other person has put all of his emails onto a public website for all to see and encourages people to make their own evaluation as to the potential lapses. As I said before, my opinion is that all official correspondence made by a Secratary of State should have some level of security classification so that avenue isn't really an option. But then that is why we have congressional oversight, to keep people honest while still preserving needed security concerns. Of course, if Clinton had actually followed the rules and guidelines required for her position, this wouldn't be an issue. You seem quite ok with gun owners getting dumped on for such violations of the rules, often saying if they had followed the rules, they wouldn't be in trouble. How is it any different when the person choosing to not comply with rules because it isn't convenient is dealing with important affairs of the country? And again, they are still trying to just get the information they would have had easy access to IF the rules had been followed. But for now, more stuff keeps popping up unexpectedly, and making those who are investigating rightfully wondering what else they might not be seeing.
"The hypocrisy is that there was never an issue with Bush W. or anyone else untill the Hillary fake scandal came up."As I said, there was an issue when W's use of private e-mail accounts was revealed--and Hillary took part in the criticism: https://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/263768-2007-hillary-clinton-said-secret-e-mail-accounts-shredded-constitution/It's also false to say that it wasn't an issue for anyone else before. Inappropriate use of private e-mail has been a factor in others' dismissal before, including officials under Hillary."Then you go on and on about how all of them were guilty, which is a transparent bullshit attempt to justify the attack on Hillary."Ah yes, I criticized two Republicans--it MUST be a smokescreen! Please.
"Mike, are you really suggesting that because no one gave Jeb Bush a hard time for his security lapses when he was Governor, that a Secratary of State should get a pass because of hers?"No, what I'm saying is there have been no security lapses.
"No, what I'm saying is there have been no security lapses." That we know of yet. So far, we do know that Clinton chose to not follow the rules for reasons of convenience and the current challenge is gathering the information that would normally be quite easy to look at if the rules had been followed. So at this time the investigation is ongoing and its premature to say definitely that there are any lapses or not. It sort of amazes me that after many years of being in the political spotlight and with her aspirations of potentially running for the Presidency, that she would choose do anything but follow established rules and not set herself up as a target.
At the end of the day, the various political maneuvering occurs on both sides and for the most part cancels each other out. A bit higher on my priority list is this little thing called OPSEC. We have a Secretary of State apparently high level affairs of state using unsecure communications. When lower echelon people do that kind of stuff, they get fired and sometimes go to jail. So far, all she's getting is a hard time.
We have a Republican Congress helping Bibi with his election and sending letters to the leader of our enemy Iran. Jail? What law did she break?
That is what they're trying to find out right now. This is the investigation portion at present. Do you suppose there might be a law or three out there about improper handling of classified materials? At in sending then using unsecured equipment and such? What do you suppose the security classification is of, or should be of the Secratary of State?
I'm sure you still think Bengahsi is a reputable investigation. Do you always regergitate Republican talking points, or can you still think for yourself?
This has nothing to do with Benghazi. The security rules are the same Republican or Democrat. Military personnel are required to go through yearly refresher training about proper handling and safeguarding of clessified information. I believe Jade even works in the defense world and is likely familiar with some of these rules. In fact, fairly recently it was announced that retired Gen. Petraeus violated these protocols and allowed access to classified materials by someone who shouldn't. He lost his job as head of CIA and is now being charged.
SSG,Re: handling of classified information--yep. They just prosecuted Petraus for improper handling of classified information--somehow he managed to get off with a tiny misdemeanor rather than the felonies he could have been charged with.
It's already been determined that using her own email, even with her own server broke no laws; and others in her same position have done the same. I agree with John, and history has shown Hilary's enemies are usually wrong, but always hate filled.
And of course his future n government service will likely be limited. As well it should be. Though as far as I know, he doesn't have my political office aspirations. Though the former Secratary of State might have to deal with it since she is considering public office.
ss, I haven't heard about classified material having been exposed. So far this sounds like trumped up bullshit.
Again they're just getting into collecting evidence. Don't you think there would be a presumption that official communications of a Secratary of State would default to some level of classification? I don't care about what she's planning for 2016. My concern is OPSEC.
Collecting evidence? What evidence, of what crime? They are looking at thousands of emails which Clinton turned over without being forced. Maybe they will come up with a new recipe for Grandma's baby food for her new grandchild.
Peter,Was that "determination" like the determination that there was nothing untoward going on with the IRS and that the e-mails were unrecoverable? Like Koskinen's determination that no laws were broken at the IRS--a determination he admitted he made without looking at the text of any laws?
Well, from what I'm hearing she was using a personal server at her house for official State Department communications which isn't compliant with official State Department policy. These rules appear to be in place to promote accountability and likely security. The President is also required to comply with these rules. So we have found out the she decided to make her own rules. And now she's having to answer questions about her decisions. I personally could not give much of a hoot about whatever deals she's making. However, she also made decisions involving operational security that can put soldiers at risk. As I've mentioned earlier, we have at least one Presidentially appointed head that was fired and criminally charged for violating these rules. I haven't heard either Gen. Petraeus or anyone else bitch about the investigation into his actions. My guess is because he knows he messed up and has to pay the piper. We now have someone a bit higher up the food chain with political aspirations possibly doing something similar and listen to the knashing of teeth. Are we seeing the difference? This is a good example of acceptance of responsibility by a leader. Which one do you think is the good example?
"Collecting evidence? What evidence, of what crime?" Peter the answer to your question is possibly 2 counts of perjury at minimum if she is shown to be guilty ...she signed two documents one stating that she would turn over all documents related to her job and the other stating she had turned over all documents...when she chose to have others delete 30000 plus emails from her server they very well may have deleted gov property and thats what is being investigated...If it is shown she violated any laws she should be held accountable as all should be..However I dont believe she will be even if there is evidence against her
The State Department has already said she broke no law doing it the way she did, and other Sec. of State (Colin Powell) have said they did the same thing. She said none of those emails included secret material. Where is your condemnation for Jeb Bush using personal email for government uses, which he says DID include troop movement and other sensitive material? He's running for president also. Petraus admitted to wrongdoing. I have no problem with investigating, but lets make it fair, where is the investigation in to Bush's private email, when he has stated those emails included sensitive material. And an accusation is not the same as admittance George. Jeb Bush admitted it, Clinton has denied it, and it's fine if you want to find out if she's lying, but lets drop the unfair treatment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/15/trey-gowdy-hillary-emails_n_6872498.html"WASHINGTON -- “We haven’t seen any evidence of a crime,” Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), the chair of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, said Sunday about Hillary Clinton’s private email use during her service as Secretary of State."
Where is your condemnation for Jeb Bush using personal email for government uses, which he says DID include troop movement and other sensitive material?....Peter I have no outrage for Clinton or Bush for this is what I expect from politicians ...You asked a question I gave you an answer...I also stated in my comment that all criminal politicians should be held accountable for their crimes and that means ALL of any political party and the they did it and got away with it so we should be able to do the same shit has to stop a criminal is a criminal and they should all have the book thrown at them if found guilty......
"The State Department has already said she broke no law doing it the way she did, and other Sec. of State (Colin Powell) have said they did the same thing. She said none of those emails included secret material." I think Congress does this thing called oversight in order to at least keep most people doing the right thing. Its perfectly within their purview to look into it. Her saying there weren't any classified documents attached, whether true or not, doesn't make looking at them wrong. And as I've said before, considering the level of government she works at, I would think about everything she says in an email defaults to some security classification. I wonder where Secretary of State Kerry's email server is kept.
"Clinton has denied it, and it's fine if you want to find out if she's lying, but lets drop the unfair treatment."" Its perfectly within their purview to look into it."I guess you didn't read my comment so I quote myself, then I quote you. You seem to suggest I don't think there should be an investigation, which I clearly said there should be.I agree with what Jack posted. The Republican leader of the Bengahzi investigations said, “We haven’t seen any evidence of a crime,”Of course the Congress has oversight, but the department in question has said what she did was OK, so unless they change their story to Congressional investigators, they are the ones that state departmental policy.Your partisanship is showing SS, to a point of irrationality. .
"Of course the Congress has oversight, but the department in question has said what she did was OK, so unless they change their story to Congressional investigators, they are the ones that state departmental policy." Yes, they set policy. And they set the policies to conform to federal regulations. So if their policies don't result in following the regulations as required, then the policy isn't a good one.
"Bush also did it" is an indictment, not an excuse.
"Republicans and Democrats" "one's worse than the other"....Two half's of the same pea floating in a toilet bowl of filth
Ah yes, what would it be without GeorgeSSTSSJ letting us know he wants to overthrow the government.
Ah yes Fredsamdra not being able to understand the difference between political parties and the Gov not the sharpest tool in the shed are are ya...As has been spoken about on this blog in a prior thread I do not believe in overthrowing the Gov Fredsamdra but would not be against it shrinking itself by a considerable amount.... Now on with your next potentially libelous accusations
Ah yes GeorgeSSTSSJ, political parties run the government and in particular the Republicans and Democrats for almost 200 years. Try again mental retard of gun loons.
Fredsamdra members of political parties are employed by the people as representatives in the Gov.The political parties do not run the Gov...Try again the best part of you ran down yo mama/sisters leg you hateful bigot
Right GeorgeSSTSSJ, politicians don't run the government HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA your stupidity is laughable
Obviously hate runs your life GeorgeSSTSSJ. The fact that you insult everyone, not just me, proves that, and thanks for proving that. Go take your meds and leave your children alone.
Ya I insulted you poor baby.....are you unable to comprehend the difference between your party and your Gov."Obviously hate runs your life GeorgeSSTSSJ. The fact that you insult everyone, not just me, proves that, and thanks for proving that."............Look in the mirror Fredsamdra...You can save you crocodile tears and whining about being insulted for someone who might give a shit about you...You inbred turd burgling bigot
".You inbred turd burgling bigot"Hey George and the other gun rights guys. I don't mean to make myself the hall monitor here, but I've noticed that while the name calling is pretty routine on one side of the issue, it seems to be ramping up with those on the other side of the issue. I've even noticed myself wandering down that path and I'm going to try to tighten my shot group so to speak and just speak to the issues. As everyone might have noticed, Sammy and his ilk tend to not do so well using facts and try to make up for it with name calling. Though it's tempting to engage them, I personally take great pleasure in the knowledge that sticking to facts and data when they go off like they do, drives them crazy. And there is the matter of image. If someone comes to visit the site, I like to think that I might look a bit more like the grownup in the exchange. I'm going to try to do better and while I don't want to tell you what to say, I hope you will too. I'll stop preachin now.
I agree with you totally, ss. My increased comment moderation will reflect that.
I hope getting too wild in the moderation department isn't necessary. From my experience you occupy a pretty reasonable niche between Japete's site, where only comments that make her look good get posted, and Tennessee Belle's site where its a food fight. I think the only reasonable person I ran into there was Flying Junior.
SS you are right I recently have allowed myself to be dragged into the filth with the vermin I will correct my behavior post haste.