Monday, March 29, 2010

Hutaree Christian Group

JadeGold said, "BTW, MikeB, wouldn't we be remiss in mentioning the NRA-inspired Hutaree today?" Well, we can't have that, can we?



The Examiner reports the story like this.

At least seven members of the Hutaree, a militant Chrstian group based in Adrian, were taken into custody by the FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force over the weekend. The members, picked up in Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and Illinois, will learn their fate at the US district courthouse in Detroit today, when an indictment against them will be unsealed.

The task force reportedly became interested in the Hutaree when the fringe group made threats of violence against certain Islamic organizations. The Hutaree features training in combat techniques in preparation for a coming battle against the anti-christ. It maintains a website featuring the banner: "Preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive."

Man With a Muckrake pointed out the following.

Hutaree is a Christian-oriented militia group. According to Hutaree’s Web site, the organization believes that one day there will be an anti-Christ, and all Christians must train and prepare. Hutaree claims to have about 30 members, including several who live Washtenaw County. The group has its own pastor and a leader, members said. Members are known to train with AR-15s. The Christian militia group members describe themselves as Christian soldiers preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ.

"The anti-Christ," isn't that what some people call Obama? Do you think these people are seriously dangerous and should be taken seriously or are they basically harmless?

Let's say these folks are dangerous and they influence many others who are dangerous. Would that make us more inclined to accept gun control initiatives which might affect their ability to arm up? I say it would. I say people like this are walking examples of why we desperately need gun control that works. I say these are deluded, dangerous people, most of whom should not have guns at all.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.

15 comments:

  1. JadeGold said, "BTW, MikeB, wouldn't we be remiss in mentioning the NRA-inspired Hutaree today?"

    Again JadeGuy desperately tries to link extremism to the NRA. Any proof of a link this time?

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  2. Wasn't Tiny Tim McVeigh an NRA member who decided that they were just not as dedicated as he was to gun rights?

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  3. democommie: Wasn't Tiny Tim McVeigh an NRA member who decided that they were just not as dedicated as he was to gun rights?

    McVeigh had once joined the NRA, was angered by their moderate positions relative to his, and quit in disgust.

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  4. Mikeb: "I say people like this are walking examples of why we desperately need gun control that works. I say these are deluded, dangerous people, most of whom should not have guns at all."

    I agree with Mikeb: These deluded, dangerous people should not have guns at all. I might support gun control laws to that effect, but I see a few minor technical difficulties:

    1) Legally definining those political views which make one ineligible for gun ownership.

    2) Legally determining which individuals hold those political views which make one ineligible for gun ownership.

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  5. What does the NRA or Timothy McVeigh have to do with these people?

    Neither the Examiner article nor the video that you linked to mentions guns in any way (except to mention that the police have some) so how is this a call for more gun control? They haven't even been charged with ANYTHING yet, let alone convicted of anything and suddenly you want to ban my guns?

    MikeB, I expect better than Jade Gold hysterics from you. Shouldn't we wait and see what has actually happened before we have a discussion? Shouldn't you see what the charges even are before you do a Jade leap from "FBI may have arrested 7" to "evil NRA is to blame"?

    As far as Obama being the AntiChrist, everyone knows that is just a silly joke. According to the scriptures, AntiChrist will deceive most of the people and gather them together under his leadership. Obama can't even get 50% approval in the U.S.

    "Let's say these folks are dangerous and they influence many others who are dangerous. Would that make us more inclined to accept gun control initiatives which might affect their ability to arm up? I say it would. I say people like this are walking examples of why we desperately need gun control that works."

    If they are proven dangerous criminals, then they should be in prison. Sounds like step 1 to that is complete or soon will be.

    "I say these are deluded, dangerous people, most of whom should not have guns at all."

    And you base that on the part about the DHS is searching something or the part that an unnamed local caller said he heard it on his scanner that someone, but they don't know who, may have been arrested? Just wondering.
    And where was the gun part again?

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  6. First off, McVeigh's involvement with the NRA is far more nuanced than FishyJay lets on. If one reads "American Terrorist" (a book that interviewed McVeigh), McVeigh continued to read NRA publications long after he quit. In point of fact, McVeigh often cited Ruby Ridge and Waco as the defining moments in his life--both events he read about in NRA magazines. Further, McVeigh often resold materials he purchased from NRA publications at gun shows. The bomb he used in OK City came from an NRA bulletin board.

    FWM agin would like to pretend the NRA has nothing to with these groups like the Hutaree. But it simply doesn't pass the smell test. After all, the NRA keeps warning its adherents that Obama is going to do all these terrible things, etc. Yet, FWM is shocked, shocked, when some of these adherents opt to act out badly.

    --JadeGold

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  7. Jade,

    Are you off of your meds?

    I know you are too much of a chicken shit to even attempt to provide citation for your blathering bullshit but I am going to ask anyway:

    What NRA publications and issues had information about Ruby Ridge and Waco?

    What NRA Bulletin board supplied McVeigh with his bomb?

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  8. Apparently these folks do aspire to be LDTM (Latter Day Timmy McVeigh) types.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100329/ap_on_re_us/us_fbi_raids

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  9. Damn, that is one EXCEEDINGLY fucked up bunch of people!

    I clicked on a blog link and got treated to not just Gunzporn or GODporn but GOD'n'Gunzporn--big time.

    Most of the interior linky-loos were "temporarily unavailable" but this one:

    http://www.hutaree.com/forum/read.php?12,449

    demonstrates a bit of a command and control problem.

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  10. McVeigh continued to read NRA publications long after he quit.

    Yet the NY Times reported that when McVeigh found with disgust that the NRA was too moderate for him, he angrily canceled his NRA publications subscription.

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  11. JadeGold: Master of Conflation Fallacy.

    In Jadeworld, anyone with a gun is an NRA member, NRA inspired, NRA endorsed, etc.

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  12. "Would that make us more inclined to accept gun control initiatives which might affect their ability to arm up?"

    What gun control initiatives would affect their ability to arm up? Mexico has a ban on all guns in military calibers, yet that hasn't stopped the cartels from obtaining any type of weapons they want, up to and including hand grenades.

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  13. Does every nun have shared responsibility here?

    -TS

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  14. Something I have noticed around the Internet:

    Are you a gunowner? Hutaree! Whack!

    Are you a conservative? Hutaree! Hutaree!

    Are you a Christian? Whack! Whack!

    Tea Party? Republican? Take that!

    How interesting that so many people think that crying "Hutaree" somehow is a club they can use to beat up so many kinds of other people.

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  15. So what form of gun control would have prevented this tragedy? Oh, wait… it was prevented- by good old fashion police work.

    Predictably, when a tragedy occurs, your answer is “we need more gun control”.
    When a tragedy is averted; “we need more gun control”.
    When crime is going up; “we need more gun control”.
    When crime is going down; “we need more gun control”.
    Ever wonder why your movement is losing so much steam? I know, I know, your think we should have been able to prevent these people from arming themselves in the first place. But how? By determining they are conspiring acts of terrorism against the government? Well they did a lot better than just taking away their gun rights, they’ll end up losing their right to freedom too (if convicted). And that is just the way it should be. Score one for our side.

    -TS

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