Thursday, October 14, 2010

Today's Murder-Suicide

Fort Lauderdale, FL:
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (WSVN) -- A South Florida man has died and his sister remains hospitalized after an attempted murder-suicide.
According to police, 23-year-old Juan Orozco and his sister, 25-year-old Jesnishia Orozco, visited their mother, who works at a cigar stand at Beach Place, near Las Olas Boulevard and A1A, Wednesday afternoon. Police said, the siblings were discussing money and living arrangements when the male turned the gun on his sister, then himself. "We do have two people shot. They are brother and sister," said Fort Lauderdale Police Sergeant Frank Sousa. "Both of them have been transported to Broward General Medical Center. They're both in critical condition, the brother in a little bit worse shape than the sister."

Lots of gunloons pretend suicide doesn't really count...


  1. Next, Jade will pretend that severe restrictions on rope will reduce the number of hangings.

    Thus, Rope Restriction Is Good (TM), regardless of how many switch to leaps or bloodletting or even accidentally fall in wells or mineshafts and die because nobody can drop them a line.

    Suicide doesn't count because the rate of suicide doesn't improve with higher restrictions--mearly small changes in composition and means.

  2. Now, now, now, Van Dyke. I don't think that's really true. Suicide attempts with guns are more successful than the other common means, therefore, reducing gun availability would reduce the number of successful suicide attempts. It's simple.

  3. "I don't think that's really true."

    Of course not. But the numbers prove otherwise, so whether you think it true or not, is immaterial.

    "...reducing gun availability would reduce the number of successful suicide attempts."

    Except that it doesn't. Two modern, "1st world" countries that have recently restricted access to guns (the UK and Australia) both have exhibited no real drop in the overall suicide rate or attempted suicide rate. The methods have changed, but the same number of people die, more or less, every year.

    Suicide rates remain pretty much the same through most "civilized" countries, regardless of gun ownership.

    Suicide is not a firearms issue.