What a predictable intersection of the religious extreme, and gun violence, and the predictable right wing homophobia.
Remember as you read this, Nut Gingrich believes our 2nd Amendment rights come from God by way of the Bible.
from The New Civil Rights Movement:
So, does this mean the ignorant religious right fundies believe that a 4 year old is able to CHOOSE to be gay? It is too bad this kind of religious extremism that promotes violence is not a justification for denying gun ownership. Given the marginal nature of this group, I wonder what their source of funding was, and if the firearms used were legal or illegal. It reminds me of the sickos in the cult with David Koresh and the Waco compound, on a smaller scale. I hope the other two women are held accountable as well; if it was a crime for Casey Anthony not to report the death of her daughter, it should be equally a crime for these women not to have reported these deaths. There are eight other kids who are going to be screwed up for life, and probably believe they need guns too.
Religious Leader Shoots 4 Year Old Boy To Death Because He Might Be Gay
David Badashin
A religious leader in North Carolina shot to death his four-year old step son because he thought the boy, Jadon Higganbothan, might be gay. The man, Peter Lucas Moses, 27, who also shot to death a 28-year old woman, may face the death penalty.
Moses, whom police stopped short of calling a cult leader, lived in a one-room home with nine children and three women. The 28-year old woman, Antoinetta Yvonne McKoy, Moses killed had been beaten and strangled with an extension cord before Moses murdered her. The day he did, she had escaped to a neighbor’s house and begged her to use her cell phone. The neighbor did not call police because she claims she thought the woman might be mentally disturbed. She witnesses Moses dragging her into the house, and still never called police.
Moses beat her throughout most of the day, with the women joining in at least once, and tried to strangle her with an extension cord, according to the witness. The witness described how McKoy begged for her life, but Sisk got the gun Moses used to kill Jadon and took it to the bathroom, prosecutors said. The women told Moses “you cannot let her go” and said they feared him going to jail, Cline They turned on the same music in the bathroom and took McKoy in there, prosecutors said. Sisk shot McKoy several times, killing her, they said. The group threw a party a few days later, prosecutors recalled the witness saying, and Moses showed McKoy’s body to several relatives, including his mother Sheilda Evelyn Harris, 56, his brother P. Leonard Moses, 21, and his sister, Sheila Falisha Moses, 20. McKoy’s body was also kept in the house for some time, taped up inside black garbage bags placed in garbage bin, prosecutors said the witness told them
A few salient facts:
Religious extremism is at the heart of this sad story. The children were home schooled. Neighbors ignored them. This took place in North Carolina, the current subject of a social agenda campaign against the LGBT community. A same-sex marriage equality ban may be on the 2012 ballot.
Good thing they have their priorities in order.
In the religious belief of that organization, homosexuality was frowned on,” Cline said. Huh? That better not be allowed in court.
Investigators think some of those involved in the deaths were members of a religious sect known as the Black Hebrews, which believes it descends directly from the ancient tribes of Israel,” the stated.
Dog Gone: “It is too bad this kind of religious extremism that promotes violence is not a justification for denying gun ownership.”
ReplyDeleteSo how would that work if you had your way? Who gets to define “extremism”? Is it anybody who thinks homosexuality is a sin? As an aside, I think the brunt of religious discrimination would fall on Muslims rather than Christians from a policy such as this.
"So how would that work if you had your way? Who gets to define “extremism”? Is it anybody who thinks homosexuality is a sin?"
ReplyDeleteUmm, no. They not only can think it's a sin, they can so state their beliefs in public. They can take out full-page ads in print media and run all the radio and television adverstising they want to pay for. They can blog about it. They are free to hate in any and all ways that comfort them and assuage their fears.
What they are NOT allowed to do and what DOES make them extremists is the other stuff, the "acts"; like KILLLING those they hate or denying them of their civil or human rights. Bigass NOES!! on allathat stuff.
You're welcome.
Oh, I meant to ask; is your concern that this non-extremist, hatefilled piece of shit might have his gunzrightz proscribed so's he can't shoot any other toddler or uppity wimmen?
ReplyDeleteWe seem to be in agreement, Democommie. I am fine with denying rights to murderers. My concern is that “extremism” is often defined as “those who don’t share your beliefs”. Certainly there are those who would label people “attempting to destroy the sanctity of marriage” as “extremists”.
ReplyDelete"My concern is that “extremism” is often defined as “those who don’t share your beliefs”. Certainly there are those who would label people “attempting to destroy the sanctity of marriage” as “extremists”.
ReplyDeleteJuly 15, 2011 8:34 PM"
Again, I don't give a flying fuck what anybody THINKS about my views and constitutionally protected acts. When they try to stop me from exercising my rights then they become extremists. Oh,btw, they're idiots as well.
So, do you consider all people like Mikeb302000 to be an extremist because of his views on fuckingmoronzwithgunz or because of his heavy handed jackbooted thuggery in confiscating your weppins?
"I am fine with denying rights to murderers."
Really? But, like, not till they've actually killed somebody because they had a gun handy and were totally delusional fuckwads?
"Really? But, like, not till they've actually killed somebody..."
ReplyDeleteSo how do you deny rights to murderers before they've actually become murderers? If they haven't committed murder then they are not yet a murderer.
FWM, you have put your thumb squarely on the problem.
ReplyDeleteHow do we keep guns out of the hands of those who do things like this?
You answer is, apparently, to put guns in the hands of as many people as possible, and then lock them up after they do things like this.
I don't have a perfect answer, but I would suggest that there are often signs that someone behaves in a disturbing way, including other kinds of violence, that precede such catastrophic instances as double murder.
I don't wish to see someone persecuted, including denying gun ownership, for simply having less widely held views.
I would particularly like to commend TS, who so often makes excellent and well reasoned points here, that Muslims could be singled out for denial of gun ownership. The hysteria over the non-existent threat of sharia law is an example, with multiple states passing anti-sharia laws that are now in our court system. Some of the right fringies, including those with whom presidential candidate Michele Bachmann associates, would like to criminalize homosexuality, putting the authority of the state in the role of doing the violence against muslims or homosexuals.
I don't find that a better solution, legalizing those punitive measures. They are still not legitimate fears.
We shoul be looking at those who act violently. Threats should alert us to who has a predisposition to violence. But some measures do have to wait until actual violence.
I would expect that if thiss alleged killer's past were examined, he almost certainly has committed seriously violent acts previously, to do what he did.
THAT, combined with the kind of religious extremism that promotes this kind of 'Leviticus' based violence, SHOULD be a red flag that indicates a greater need for a background check to uncover the violence which should prevent someone like this from legal gun ownership.
I hope that is clearer.
"FWM, you have put your thumb squarely on the problem."
ReplyDeleteThat's not his thumb, Dog Gone, that's his index finger and it's on the trigger.
Democommie: “When they try to stop me from exercising my rights then they become extremists.”
ReplyDeleteAgain, we seem to be in agreement.
Democommie: “So, do you consider all people like Mikeb302000 to be an extremist…”
I don’t throw around that word lightly, but I do think he has some reckless ideas about gun control that would put good people behind bars or deny them the most effective means of self defense which could end up getting them killed. But lets say for the sake of argument that I consider him to be “extremist”. I don’t think anyone should be denied rights because someone else thinks they are extreme. It is very bad precedent against freedom. Blog away, Mike.
Fat White Man, said what I was going to say about the murderers. Of course there are other levels of violent acts that should also strip them of their rights, but “extremist views” should never be one of them. Unfortunately we do have to wait for someone to do something wrong- that is the way a free society works. In an effort to prevent bad things from happening in the first place you have to punish people who have done nothing wrong. That is a basic truth.