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Nunez had a gun, police said, but did not have time to draw.
Yes, Laci. No one disputes that people with guns can still be killed. Wars would be one giant stalemate otherwise.
Yes, but your side seems to believe that the good guy always prevails.Not so.
TS said... The opposite of a DGU is an unarmed murder victim.And what do you call armed victims, TS?I seem to recall too many armed victims.
Who says that? Who says the good guys always win, Laci? You’ve been doing this “debate on the internet” thing for several decades, so why don’t you dig up one quote from a pro-gunner who says a good guy with the gun always prevails, or that carrying a gun means you can’t be harmed.Laci: “And what do you call armed victims, TS?”Someone who had a better chance.
Look at you. It seems like you are gloating because a CCW holder walked into a room and got murdered.
No,look at you,TS, you go around spouting bullshit, but when your people drop like flies you start wimping out.It begins to soak into your thick skull that maybe you have been fed a line of bullshit and swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.It doesn't help to start getting nervous when you're going into that gunfight.You start realising how wimpy you really are since your only defence is that gun.If that fucks up, well...
TS said... Look at you. It seems like you are gloating because a CCW holder walked into a room and got murdered. TS, that is one of the stupidest, most unfair, unjust things you have ever written.
TS, I have to agree with the others about the "gloating."I wish I had a dollar for every time I was accused of that, in various ways.It's not true.Although your side does not say the good guys always win, I agree with you, you do seem to have an exaggerated idea of the protection afforded by being armed. The upside is rare, the downside is more likely.
First of all, I softened the comment by saying “seems” like he is gloating. I really hope he is not that kind of person. I also didn’t base this observation on just this one post- there is a history there, like when Laci said this about Melanie Hain’s murder:“I only rejoice that someone who was a fool has been removed from this earth…”“It's not a tragedy, it's ironic. And I just happen to find irony funny! I mean it's really fuckin' ironic, guys!”If Laci is actually offended by my statement, I will apologize. However, I will keep my stance that if he doesn’t want to be seen as someone who gloats over murders that he should tone it down. That is certainly the impression he is going to give with statements like that, or singing “It’s Raining Men” on his blog in regards to her death. These can be seen as gloating. Have you read what he said about Melanie, Dog gone? Do you still consider it unjust?http://lacithedog.blogspot.com/search/label/Melanie%20Hain
Now, TS brings up Meleanie Hain, another armed person who feared nothing.Fat lot of good her gun did her.Sorry, TS, DogGone and the rest know what I said about Meleanie.You lot are still in denial about her.She would have been better off without the gun.
I was going to be good, TS, and not mention the ultimate armed victim.But you were kind enough to bring her up.The gun control argument is that more guns just increase the violence.I think Meleanie's death helped point that out.
Come on, TS, why use selective quotes?Here's the post, TS is quoting.He neglects.“Don’t try to turn this into a gun debate”!Hilarious. What on Earth does Meleanie Hain’s death have to do with guns?She wasn’t killed with a flyswatter, mousetrap, pencil sharpener, piece of paper, cross bow, knife, brass knuckles, axe, machete, chain saw, stapler, toothbrush, or frying pan.SHE WAS KILLED BY A GUNyou’ll see that the “pro-gun” crowd refuse (or are unable… unwilling… or scared to…) acknowledge:… the irony of a mother being killed by that which she professed would keep her safe… the fact that those who were afraid of the potential of gun violence were, in this case, correct… that in a country where more than half of all marriages end in divorce, homes stocked with loaded weapons are a seriously hazardous to the health of the entire family.I don’t understand why you’re bothered, she was just exercising her Second Amendment rights! That right includes the privilege of being shot by a fucking abusive husband.It’s not a tragedy, it’s ironic. And I just happen to find irony funny! I mean it’s really fuckin’ ironic, guys!Hey, I am more than willing to piss in the holy water, guys!Especially when you people are too fucking stupid to understand what you are commenting on.Yep, TS, got that you are too fucking stupid to know what you are talking about.Meleanie Hain, the ultimate armed victim.For those who have no idea of who this woman was, she was the open carry soccer mom who alienated pretty much everyone by showing up at a grade school soccer match packing heat.She made herself obnoxious as hell demanding her "Second Amendment rights".She was a better argument for gun control in the end.
I remember the Meleanie post very well. I remember being a little shocked at Laci's wording, but the basic premise I agree with 100%Pro-gun folks have a (seem to have a) distorted idea of the protection afforded by being armed.
People Like TS don't want to see the reality. They like ther fact that Meleanie was walking around packing heat.The problem is that this is not the answer.How many more bodies need to pile up before that soaks in?
The more I read the more I see that you're absolutely right, a gun is not the answer. Even Wayne La Pierre knows this and softens up his rationale in recent interviews by saying "it gives the victim a fighting chance and everyone would like a fighting chance rather than no chance."When you consider that there are so many instances of MISuse of the gun, and there are sometimes when the gun does escalate the violence, it's a very stupid decision to own one and even stupider to carry one.The chances of the gun saving the day are rare. The chances of something bad happening with that same gun are more likely.It's a no-brainer as they say.