Except that to the rest of, such justification is not present, not very often, not with any consensus. Gun nuts will excuse almost any shooting, or hold it up as some kind of justification for their guns. Mostly, we're better off without them than with them. I noticed one of the local witnesses states that 'this takes place in 3rd world countries, not here'. No, these shootings take place here more often than a lot of other places, including some third world countries. Although we're headed that way, with the decline of our middle class, and the growing gap between the mega-wealthy 2% and the rest of us....
4 dead, 6 wounded in shooting at Nevada restaurant
Two of the dead identified as National Guardsmen
CARSON CITY, Nevada — A gunman with an automatic rifle opened fire at an IHOP restaurant in Nevada's capital on Tuesday, killing two uniformed National Guardsmen and wounding six people and himself in a hail of gunfire during the morning breakfast hour, authorities and witnesses said.
A third person was killed in addition to the servicemembers. The gunman died at the hospital three hours after the shooting, Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong said.
It wasn't immediately clear whether the gunman had any connection with the military or the guard, said Nevada National Guard Sgt. Mike Getten. He said guard members were meeting at the restaurant.
Extra security measures were put place on state and military buildings in northern Nevada as a safety precaution.
The sheriff said investigators believe only the one shooter was involved.
The conditions and names of the victims were not released. Some of the victims were transported from the scene by helicopter, and others left by ambulance.
The incident took place at the Carson City International House of Pancakes on South Carson Street.
Ralph Swagler, owner of another restaurant near the IHOP told the Reno Gazette-Journal that he witnessed the 9 a.m. shooting. Swagler said he saw a man wearing a red shirt and black shorts pull up to the IHOP in blue minivan. The man then pulled out a rifle and shot a man on a motorcycle, then walked inside IHOP and started shooting, Swagler told the newspaper.
The man then fired several shots at other businesses in the area, including the Locals Barbecue and the H&R Block.
"This happens in Third-World countries, not here," Swagler, owner of Locals Barbecue, told the newspaper.
The minivan was registered locally, Furlong said.
Local and state police and FBI agents descended on the scene on the main street in the state capital, also called U.S. 395. Yellow tape surrounded the parking lot near a Kohl's department store in a shopping complex across the street from a casino and hotel.
A business in the area told NBC station KRNV TV that nearby businesses have been put on lockdown.
"We just heard basically a string of gunshots, probably 5 to 7 back to back to back to back and then there was probably 30 second delay then an automatic weapon fired, probably 20 to 30 shots," said Gary Gamba, general sales manager at Michael Hohl Motors, which is across the street from the IHOP.
This is a breaking news story.
Added by Laci:
Added by Laci:
We can't forget the usual comment from the progun side that an armed citizen would stop this sort of thing. The Record-Courier (Gardnerville, NV) mentions:
Ralph Swagler, owner of the adjacent Locals BBQ restaurant, told the Nevada Appeal that he saw the gunman pull up in a minivan, get out and begin firing an automatic rifle at the IHOP. The gunman then reloaded and went inside, and Swagler said he heard more gunshots inside the restaurant...Not that I totally blame him for erring on the side of caution given that he was outgunned.
Swagler said he had a handgun and considered opening fire on the shooter, but he didn't want to engage a gunman who was armed with a fully automatic weapon.
Another update by Laci:
According to CarsonNow.org:
There was one gun used, it was an AK-47 assault rifle, ATF is determining whether it was fully automatic or semi-auto.