"This is a very poorly thought-out, irrational law. And the shame of it is it's not going to stop one criminal from doing harm to anybody," said Paul Paradis, owner of Paradise Sales in Colorado Springs. Paradis said most of the magazines that will be banned soon have already been sold out at his store.
He'll still do the checks for customers who buy firearms at his store because it's figured into his business costs. But he said he'll turn away those who show up at his store for a background check to sell a gun to someone else. In addition for the actual cost of a check - about $10 - the law says gun shops can't charge a service fee of more than $10 for those private sales. Business owners say they can't afford to do that.
Those background checks currently cost stores $50 of processing work, said Richard Taylor, the manager at Aurora's Firing-Line.
"We'll lose money if we do at it $10," Taylor said.
Gun dealers are not mandated by law to do the checks on private sales, but it's the responsibility of a private seller to arrange the check through a dealer before transferring a firearm.
So, we've got one gun shop owner claiming to know the future and another flat-out lying about "$50 of processing work."
What do you think? Will the new Colorado laws stand up to all the resistance?
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It's gratifying to see tyrannical evil defied in the best spirit of Thoreau, Gandhi, and King.
ReplyDeleteWe shall overcome.
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Delete"Thoreau, Gandhi, and King" and gun-rights fanatics. All birds of a feather.
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DeleteIs that some kind of textual indication of a grand mal seizure, Mikeb? Good luck with that.
"Thoreau, Gandhi, and King" and [courageous advocates for freedom]. All birds of a feather.
Indeed. They all openly defied evil. They all represent the best of humanity.
I got it. Just like you gun rights fanatics. I'm still laughing.
DeleteWell, if you can find a few seconds between giggles to explain how defying evil authority differs from . . . defying evil authority, I'd appreciate it.
DeleteDo you have any proof as to the cost of processing a background check? After all, if the gun dealer can make a profit wouldn't they be all in favor of such a requirement?
ReplyDelete"Gun dealers are not mandated by law to do the checks on private sales, but it's the responsibility of a private seller to arrange the check through a dealer before transferring a firearm.
It's unclear what the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, which actually conducts the checks, will do in cases where a gun store refuses to arrange a background check for private sales, said spokeswoman Susan Medina."
The government might have to start doing firearm transfers themselves. If so, what do you suppose the cost will be in tax dollars to conduct these services? Do you think that the fee will remain $10?
Ah, yes. You, who know nothing of their business model, are still omniscient enough to tell us that they're lying about the $50.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if that figure is good or not, but I can make some guesses about the issue: To run the check, they're probably going to have to log the gun into inventory, then run the check, then put down the result of the check, then log the gun out of inventory.
I've seen checks run in 5 minutes, but usually they're closer to 10. On busy days, they can run as long as 30 minutes with long periods on hold where the worker can do some work, but has to be keeping an eye and ear on the phone.
Even if the check runs in 5 minutes (phone call, getting checker on the phone, giving them the information off the 4473, waiting on the computer to run the check and getting the go-ahead or rejection), you have that chunk of time, along with updating the log books in and out, and then making sure you file the 4473 properly for eternal storage, etc. All these steps have to be double checked, or the next time the ATF looks at your books they may find a paperwork error--the 4473 got lost or the gun was never logged out--and then you're in a heap of trouble. It's easy to imagine that with minimum wage at $7+ per hour, and employees possibly making over $10, enough time could be wasted to rack up more than the $10 surcharge. Even around here, the charge is $20, and that's with 8-10 shops in the area, competing on prices. Maybe that covers it, or maybe they're losing money figuring that at least by making customers happy they'll run a chance of the customer buying some other stuff while in the store.
As for resistance--Colorado, say hello to the black market.
Anonymous touched on it. They have to retain the records for 20 years and accept the liability that comes with it regarding tracing, audits, etc. Even a decade later, they could end up spending time on that transfer that they only got $10 for. I still think they’ll make out by getting people into the store though.
DeleteWhy o’ why can’t you guys get behind a private system?
If the basic cost is $10, there's no way that the AVERAGE cost is $50, even considering all the exaggerated expenses Anonymous listed.
ReplyDeleteNo, that $50 remark is just more exaggerated bullshit from the pro-gun crybabies.
Basic cost of $10 is the fee the government charges for running the check. Then they're allowed to charge only $10 for their own services which include all the record keeping I cited.
DeleteIf you think I exaggerated, point out where I was wrong, or point out what you think the cost is. Note, I didn't include tons of detail because I was merely defending the idea it could be more than the $10 limit. Maybe it hits fifty, maybe not.
Just pointing out your oversimplification.
It's getting awfully tiring hearing you call us "crybabies" for wanting to stay out of prison.
ReplyDeleteWe've shown you a background check system that could be free and available to everyone, but you rejected that as not having enough force and too little control. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteSo, tell me, Mikeb, does Magpul meet your bizarre definition of "hidden criminal," in that they provided firepower-starved, freedom-loving Coloradans with 20,000 30-round magazines (1,500 free, the rest at a discount), two days before the ban went into effect?
ReplyDeleteHeroes, I call them.
Most gun makers and gun sellers are greedy and immoral. They know a large percentage of their output goes into the criminal world. That's why they fight for and support the most lax gun control laws possible. For them it's all about making money regardless of the cost to society.
DeleteYeah, giving away free stuff. What greedy bastards. Oh- maybe it's just to rope in customers so they can sell more "mass death boxes" later? Wait, that can't be it since they are now banned..,
DeleteThat has the most truely bizarre thing I have read yet.
DeletePlease cite your source for that comment Mike.
You're exactly right, TS. Giving away the stuff in itself is not greedy but it's sure good policy for ensuring future sales, not of "mass death boxes," but of mass death machines.
DeleteWhat are you blabbering about Texas Colt carry? Sources for what - that the gun makers know some of their products go into the criminal world or that because of that they like the laws to be easily circumvented?
DeleteUse a little common sense, man. They're in the business of selling guns and they're not stupid. They may pretend to be stupid, which is what you're doing with that comment.
Now you have went from "large percentage" to "some" and still using that baseless "common sense" crap without facts to back up your statement.
DeleteAgain, cite your sources.
Most gun makers and gun sellers are greedy . . .
ReplyDeleteMore accurately, most of the players in any industry in a capitalist society, which Americans have the good fortune, for now, to still be living in, mostly, tend to look out for their financial best interests.
Then again, giving away, or selling at deep discount, highly sought-after merchandise is a rather odd way to be "greedy," doncha think?
Besides, since it's an obvious and established fact that guns are inherently harmless, how can manufacturing and selling them impose a "cost to society"?