Saturday, March 20, 2010
No True Scotsman
No true Scotsman is a logical fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion. When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim, rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original universal claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of assertion to tautologically exclude the specific case or others like it.
The term was advanced by philosopher Antony Flew in his 1975 book Thinking About Thinking: Do I Sincerely Want to Be Right?.
Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again." Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing." The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again and this time finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do such a thing."
Don't you just love that? Please leave a comment.
"Accidental" shooting at the Range
Of course we have the usual downplaying of the shooter's responsibility. The report said while she was playing hot potato with the ejected shell, the gun "accidentally discharged." Why do people keep saying the media is biased AGAINST guns. This is the kind of reporting I usually see.A 22-year-old Fremont woman accidentally shot herself at an indoor shooting range in town last week, Milpitas Police Department reported.
On March 10 at about 7:43 p.m., Milpitas police responded to Target Masters shooting range at 122 Minnis Circle on a report of a person being shot. Upon investigation, officers determined the woman was shooting a gun for the first time, when an ejected bullet casing landed in her shirt, police said.
The first-time shooter attempted to remove the hot casing from her clothing while holding the gun and it accidentally discharged. Police said the woman was shot in the leg and transported to a local hospital for treatment and she is expected to survive. There were no other reported injuries.
"It was purely accidental from our investigation," Milpitas police Sgt. Huy Tran said.
This is the second time in about two months that someone has accidentally shot themselves at Target Masters.
On Jan. 31, a 48-year-old San Jose woman was the victim of an apparent accidental shooting at the indoor range.
A preliminary investigation revealed the woman may have mishandled a firearm, causing it to accidentally discharge. The woman was shot in the torso and transported to a local hospital for treatment. The victim survived and there were no other reported injuries in that case, police said.
Target Masters staff would not comment about either of the incidents.
Naturally, Target Masters doesn't want to comment on the TWO recent incidents of this nature. Any attention placed on them might make people wonder how frequent are these "accidents" and how safe are these shooting ranges.
I wonder if all the guys like Mike W., who became defensive about my comments to Breda will also support this Target Masters shooter? Let's see.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Friday, March 19, 2010
Newsy on Glenn Beck
Wouldn't it be possible for someone to believe Glenn Beck is harmful to America yet not want to ban or censor him in any way? That describes me pretty well.
Jesse Ventura on the Polarization of America
Climate Denial - Crock of the Week
Stephen Colbert on the Census
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Thursday, March 18, 2010
Suicides in Japan
Suicide has never been criminalized in Japan. Japanese society's attitude toward suicide has been termed "tolerant", and on many occasions a suicide is seen as a morally responsible action. However, the rise of Internet suicide websites and increasing rate of suicide pacts (shinjū) has raised concern from the public and media, which consider the pacts "thoughtless"
Public discussion of the high rate of suicide focuses on blaming the economic hardship faced by middle-aged men. In addition, increase in Internet use (particularly the suicide websites) is partially blamed for the increase in suicide in recent yearsDuring Japan's imperial years, suicide was common within the military. This included kamikaze, kaiten and suicide when a battle is lost.
And this, also from Wiki about Seppuku, the formal name for hari kari.
Seppuku as judicial punishment was officially abolished in 1873, shortly after the Meiji Restoration, but voluntary seppuku did not completely die out. Dozens of people are known to have committed seppuku since then, including some military men who committed suicide in 1895 as a protest against the return of a conquered territory to China; by General Nogi and his wife on the death of Emperor Meiji in 1912; and by numerous soldiers and civilians who chose to die rather than surrender at the end of World War II.
In 1970, famed author Yukio Mishima and one of his followers committed public seppuku at the Japan Self-Defense Forces headquarters after an unsuccessful attempt to incite the armed forces to stage a coup d'état. Mishima committed seppuku in the office of General Kanetoshi Mashita. His second, a 25-year-old named Masakatsu Morita, tried three times to ritually behead Mishima but failed; his head was finally severed by Hiroyasu Koga. Morita then attempted to commit seppuku himself. Although his own cuts were too shallow to be fatal, he gave the signal and he too was beheaded by Koga.
All of this is in response to AztecRed's one word comment earlier today. Whenever we discuss gun suicides in the U.S., you can be sure the pro-gun crowd will bring up Japan.
It would be hard to find a worse comparison. Totally lacking in American culture is the honorable notion of suicide which has always been so prevalent in Japan. Completely missing are the samurai warriors and the kamakaze pilots, the centuries of art and literature that elevate the act of suicide to something absolutely foreign to Americans.
So, please, stop with the comparisons to Japan every time we mention suicide. I ask this out of respect for common sense and logical thinking, and in spite of what Sebastian explained, I have nothing to offer in return.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Too Embarrassed to Admit It
Two stories, one from Florida, one from Maryland, concerning people who didn't want to admit a shooting was their fault and decided instead to cast the blame elsewhere. The result is a colossal waste of police resources and dollars, all at the expense of taxpayers.
A Florida mother concocted a story about a drive-by shooting in order to cover up the real cause of her daughter's gunshot wounds. The 2-year-old was shot in the hand and thigh by another child during a birthday party. The mother told police the child was a victim of a drive-by shooting. Police spent 130 hours searching for a white Dodge Charger.
The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office estimated the search cost $2,458.
A Maryland man admitted to making up a story about a home invasion in order to cover up the fact that he accidentally shot himself. The man told police that two men broke into his home and shot him. In an effort to find the home invaders, police brought in a Maryland State Police helicopter and canines. As a precaution, schools in the area were locked down.
Police did not give estimates as to the cost of the extensive search, but did say that "charges will probably be forthcoming" against the man for filing a false report.
Ohh shoot.
It's just human nature to blame someone else when possible, especially when to take responsibility would be embarrassing. It makes you wonder if these are rare and isolated incidents or if they could be common enough to actually skew the statistics.
So often we hear the pro-gun rationalization that accidents are too few to worry about, that the number of gun accidents compared to the total number of guns makes them insignificant. Well, perhaps in light of these two stories, we can presume that the number of accidents is under reported.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
The Tennessee Police Selling Guns
I've often mentioned my wish, unrealistic as it may be, to reduce the number of guns in America by half. Faulting the Tennessee Police for having put these two high-profile weapons back on the streets and requiring all confiscated guns to be destroyed or retained would certainly further that goal, yet, I can't join with the gun control voices who are screaming about this one. The fault is not with the police agencies whose policy it is to sell confiscated guns.
The weakness in the system is further down the line where the gun passes from legitimate owner to criminal. Many of our other discussions are about this. In this particular issue I feel that to focus on the police policy of selling guns and ignoring the other steps in the passage of guns from the good guys to the bad guys, is an ass-backwards approach which will have little beneficial effect. Although, generally speaking, I would be glad to see any restrictions on the flow of guns, I definitely don't think this one would do much good.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Josh Sugarmann on Glenn Beck on Gun Suicide
It's not surprising that when Glenn Beck felt suicidal, the means he envisioned to end his life was a handgun. The success of a suicide attempt is dramatically influenced by the lethality of the means chosen. Firearms are by far the most lethal means, and handguns are the most common firearm used in suicide. The vast majority of people who kill themselves with a handgun aren't more suicidal--they just had the bad luck to have access to the most efficient suicide tool available. However, Beck is so confused by inconvenient facts that just three months after his "jarring" experience he can falsely offer the absolutist mantra that guns save lives. Period. The result? Glenn Beck as an object lesson on the link between gun availability and suicide as seen in this new VPC YouTube video.
Wednesday, March 17, 2010
John Patrick Bedell Shopped at the Las Vegas Gun Show
John Patrick Bedell, who shot and wounded two police officers near the Pentagon earlier this month, bought at least one of his 9 mm guns at a Nevada gun show, The Associated Press reported yesterday.
Law enforcement officials say Bedell, a man with a history of severe psychiatric problems, had been sent a letter by California authorities Jan. 10 telling him he was prohibited from buying a gun because of his mental history.
Less than three weeks later, Bedell bought a 9 mm Ruger at a Las Vegas gun show by exploiting one of the largest loopholes in the nation’s gun control laws: While federal law requires licensed gun dealers to perform background checks on all prospective gun buyers, unlicensed sellers — like those who often set up shop at roaming gun shows — are exempt. The background checks are designed to prevent sales to those legally ineligible to own guns, including felons, illegal immigrants and, like Bedell, the severely mentally ill.
Several bills floating around Congress would subject unlicensed vendors to the same background check rules as licensed sellers. Considering the political environment on Capitol Hill in recent years, however, even sponsors of those proposals concede that they’ve got no chance of passing anytime soon.
"One of the largest loopholes" indeed. When we first discussed Bedell, the pro-gun crowd was quick to point out that he came from California. Now it turns out he picked up at least one of his guns in Vegas. But still, you can be sure, the gun rights folks will insist that either there's no such thing as a "gun show loophole" or that the common expression is not exactly right because it should be called the "private sale loophole" or something like that. Some will refuse outright as they refuse to consider any gun laws for fear of the slippery slope. If they do acquiesce to the obvious, it's usually with a request for compromise, if we give that up what do we get in return?
I say what you get is the satisfaction of doing the right thing, period. How we do it is another discussion. Whether the NICS gets opened up or each buyer has to go to an FFL guy for a document, these are just details. The point is we cannot accept this flagrant violation of common sense any longer.
Of course, in Virginia, they don't see it that way.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
God, Guns and Gays in Virginia
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The ATF's Machine Gun Sting
A south Texas man is in federal custody on gun charges after attempting to purchase 10 fully automatic machine guns from an undercover federal agent for delivery to Mexico.
Joel Santos, a 23-year-old from Mission, was arrested Thursday and charged with conspiring to receive a firearm not registered to him.
Gustavo Chavez Delamora, a Mexican citizen, was arrested on the same charge.
The U.S. Attorney's Office says Santos delivered $12,000 in exchange for the guns to an undercover agent from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Santos allegedly paid an additional $6,000 for 15 handguns.
You know what I've heard a number of times? Pro gun folks told me none of the automatic weapons found in Mexico could have come from the U.S. because they're illegal here. As it turns out, illegal or not, machine guns are indeed being bought and sold and trafficked in the U.S. Do you think those responsible for that activity are otherwise law-abiding gun owners who've been turned into criminals by the unjust laws?
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Humorous Observations about Starbucks
I’ve always been confused by Starbucks, the great American institution and symbol of yuppies and carefree consumerism.
This is the place where the smallest cup of coffee is called a “Tall.” Depending on what you order, you can easily spend two or three bucks for a cup.
In other words, it’s the sort of place with the kinds of products mocked by right-wing opponents of vegetarians, elitism and free-range chicken potpies. That's why I was surprised to learn that some gun-toting, Second Amendment-loving customers were sitting in Starbucks, sipping tea.
He mentions the controversy within the gun rights community of whether these open carry folks actually benefit the cause, but mainly the article is pointing out the incongruity of your typical gun owner and the Starbucks atmosphere.
It just seems weird to think of Starbucks being a hangout for urban cowboys and cowgirls. You’ve got to admit that it’s odd to think of someone who spent the last few hours cleaning his gun standing in line so he can say, “I'd like a decaf grande cappuccino, with a biscotti on the side.”
Being a fan of legend, I hope he’ll add something from the tough cowboys of the Old West like, “And barista, you make that soy instead of milk ... or else.”
What's your opinion? Aside from the humor, the article points out a serious concern.
In many states, people who carry their guns openly don't need a permit or any sort of training. That’s right. No gun safety training at all. In other words, if you happen to be sitting next to someone who is wearing a gun while he spoons the whipped cream from his drink, you might want to move to another table.
Do you think this might be a place where gun laws are too lax? Not only do the States that allow open carry not require any training, more and more states are allowing "shall issue" concealed carry licenses. Doesn't this ensure that some people who should be disqualified are passing as law abiding? Is the ratio so great in favor of the truly responsible that this is just a price we must pay for freedom? It doesn't seem right to me.
What do you think? Please leave a comment.
What does God Think about Pat Robertson?
In a rare public announcement, God Himself admitted today that Pat Robertson, who by all rights should have choked to death long ago on his own venomous rhetoric, continues to exist at His whim as an object lesson intended to teach humans not to tolerate bigoted, ranting nutjobs.Robertson’s most recent tirade attributing a devastating 7.0 earthquake to a pact made between Satan and the entire island nation of Haiti seems to have precipitated the enlightening declaration made by the Almighty.
He was heard to admit that, though He is frequently tempted to smite Robertson with “a lightning bolt, meteorite, or some catastrophic organ failure,” His forbearance persists due to His hopes that mankind will soon become so sick of Robertson that He won’t have to get His hands dirty after all. “You’re bringing it upon yourselves every time you give him any attention, let alone all the times you’ve allowed him to unofficially represent America.” The Lord added, “Really…do you all have no shame whatsoever??”
The Maker of All also went on to question why so many people, most of whom claim to be His most devoted servants, treat Rush Limbaugh as though he is anything but a spiteful dope-addicted douchebag. He then closed his statement by reminding people that President Barack Obama should not be worshiped in any Godlike manner, no matter how cool he is. “It’s the first friggin’ commandment, people. Not like it’s in the fine print or something…”
Bloomberg Won't Be Going to West Virginia
Why do thet need a special law for this? I thought people told me this was already illegal activity? What's wrong with these pro-gun types? Do they want to make this "illegaler?" Why do they need more laws when they have the Constitution on their side?CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) - New York City has sent out undercover investigators to catch gun dealers violating background check laws. But West Virginia lawmakers want to make it a crime for investigators to conduct such sting operations in West Virginia.
The Legislature passed a measure Saturday that targets anyone who tries to entice a firearms dealer or private seller under circumstances that the individual knows is unlawful.
The bill addresses a tactic employed by New York during stings conducted last year at seven guns shows in Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada.
The bill had also proposed allowing felons and others otherwise barred from having guns to possess antique firearms. But the House Judiciary Committee removed that provision, and the Senate agreed to the change Saturday.
Perhaps they were wrong about this being illegal. Perhaps with the cooperation of local authorities, Mayor Bloomberg was within his rights to investigate the provenance of guns associated with crime in his city. But, I guess he won't be doing it in West Virginia.
What do you think? Please leave a comment.
Tuesday, March 16, 2010
The Power of the Federal Government
It is interesting how few pro-gun voices have expressed this idea. Why do you think that is?
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Dennis Henigan on Starbucks and Other Things
Starbucks recently issued a statement defending its policy by citing concern for the safety of its employees. To prohibit the open carry of guns in its stores, says Starbucks, “we would be forced to require our partners [employees] to ask law abiding customers to leave our stores, putting our partners in an unfair and potentially unsafe position.”
Mr. Henigan goes on to draw the obvious inferences from that mention of putting the staff in an unsafe position, all of which touches on the very sensitive question of what percentage of so-called lawful gun owners are truly responsible and trustworthy. Some people think 90% is good enough; I disagree.
The other revealing reaction – from leaders of the “gun rights” movement – is to suggest that the “open carry” people may be hurting the gun rights cause. For example, Bob Barr, my erstwhile debate opponent when he was in Congress, recently suggested that “firearms advocates might be better advised not to press the issue publicly by pointedly visiting Starbucks establishments with firearms openly displayed. Sometimes quiet advocacy speaks louder than waving a red flag in someone’s face.” Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation (generally considered more extreme than the NRA) told the New York Times, “I’m all for open-carry laws. But I don’t think flaunting it is very productive for our cause. It just scares people.”
Henigan goes on to describe the huge strides gun-rights advocates have made in concealed-carry laws, suggesting that much of that "progress" could be placed in jeopardy by the open-carry movement. I agree with that. It makes perfect sense to me.
Finally, he talks about one of the most prolific distortions being repeated over and over again by the pro-gun folks: that more guns means less crime.
The evidence is overwhelming that the “shall-issue” concealed carry laws have been a disaster for public safety. They have allowed dangerous people to obtain concealed carry licenses, those people have committed grievous crimes, and the scholarly research shows that the laws generally have been “associated with uniform increases in crime.” But the danger becomes evident to the public only episodically – when someone with a concealed carry license shoots someone accidentally or commits a violent act, such as the six multiple shootings committed by concealed carry licensees in 2009 alone. What if concealed carry licensees had to reveal they were packing whenever they entered Starbucks or other public places? The debate over guns in public would be far different.
“Gun rights” advocates like Barr and Gottlieb have good reason to fear that their “guns anywhere” agenda would be threatened if the open carry movement starts causing the public to understand the true danger of guns in public – the open danger, and the concealed danger as well.
What's your opinion? Please feel free to leave a comment.
The Reincarnation of Seth Bullock
There's a video on the Chicago Trib site, which contains the shocking declaration that sometimes the line between good and evil blurs.
"Justified" has many things going for it, but its primary asset is Timothy Olyphant, who played Sheriff Seth Bullock in "Deadwood" and also appeared in Season 2 of "Damages." In "Justified," Olyphant plays Raylan Givens, a US Marshal who ends up back in his home state of Kentucky, where he doesn't really want to be. Yet Givens doesn't really fit in anywhere else.
There is something of the proper, repressed Bullock in Givens: Without coming out and saying so, both men communicate their disappointment at the lack of restraint and decorum they see in the world. Like the heroes of many classic Westerns, Givens is a man with a strong sense of right and wrong, and a tendency to enforce his ideas with the business end of a gun. This hat-wearing lawman isn't one of cable TV's anti-heroes; he's the hero-as-pariah, a man whose personal code makes him unable or unwilling to go with the flow.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Racial Profiling and Gun Sales
Now, c'mon. Are they trying to say there is such a thing as a law-abiding citizen who wears baggy pants and cornrows? Is there something wrong with identifying the "gangsta stereotype" and declaring them prohibited persons?Law-abiding African Americans and Hispanics would take it on the chin under a bill now moving through the Illinois General Assembly. Sponsored by Rep. Harry Osterman (D-14), HB6123 would prohibit any person or entity from selling a firearm to a so-called "street gang member." This prohibition applies even if the individual has passed a Brady Law FBI background check. Making a prohibited sale would result in Class 1 felony charges and possible jail time for the seller. Although the ISRA supports genuine efforts to curb criminal violence, the organization is strongly opposed to HB6123 as the bill's provisions are arbitrary and pose an unreasonable intrusion on the rights of law-abiding Illinois citizens.
"HB6123 promotes racial profiling at its worst," commented ISRA Executive Director, Richard Pearson. "Popular culture has branded urban minorities with the 'gangsta' stereotype that is pervasive well beyond the confines of actual criminal enterprises. Today's fashion, music, slang and lifestyle are all heavily influenced by the urban experience. Given that the provisions of HB6123 establish no test for determining 'street gang' membership, and given the harsh penalties for violating the proposed law, it is understandable that retailers would shy away from selling firearms to persons whose speech, dress, mannerisms, or taste in music reflect the urban lifestyle."
Those were jokes. Those were examples of the sometimes elusive Mikeb humor.
The only thing good about a law like this is it finally gives me an opportunity to point out a gun control law that I don't support.
What's your opinion? Is this an example of the racism inherent in the gun control movement? That's interestingly ironic since we often point the racist stick at the pro-gun folks.
What do you think? Please leave a comment.
Monday, March 15, 2010
More Texas Justice
Texas jury jails man 35 years for marijuana possession | Raw Story: "For being caught with just over a quarter pound of pot, 54-year-old Henry Walter Wooten will likely spend the rest of his life behind bars, thanks to a jury in Tyler, Texas.What do you think? Is there any excuse for this?
His prosecutor, Smith County Assistant District Attorney Richard Vance, originally sought a sentence of 99 years over the 4.6 ounces of marijuana police found in Wooten's vehicle, according to published reports."
Texas (except for the 14th Congressional District) please hurray up and leave the Union.
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Georgia Guns Going to California
ATLANTA—Four people have been sentenced in federal court in Atlanta for their roles in a gun trafficking ring that operated in Georgia and California.U.S. Attorney Sally Yates on Friday announced the sentencing of 26-year-old Jeffrey Martin Colon Moore, his girlfriend 26-year-old Crystal Davis, her father 56-year-old Danny Bill Davis, all of Canton, Ga., and 36-year-old Alexander Quinn of Oakland, Calif.
Prosecutors say Moore recruited the Davises to buy at least 65 guns at dealers and gun shows in the Atlanta area. He then shipped the guns to Quinn.
Yates says several guns sold in this case were recovered in the San Francisco area in the possession of convicted criminals.
Moore and Quinn were both sentenced to jail to be followed by probation, while the Davises were sentenced to home confinement followed by probation.
I guess that explains why the strict gun laws in California don't seem to work very well. It also clearly points to the solution.
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Mudrake on the Threepers and Oath Keepers
What's your opinion? How could these so-called patriots accept the lies and chicanery which got us into Iraq in the first place? Isn't that contrary to their beliefs, as Mudrake asks?What I think is that this soldier and many of his comrades in arms were easily duped into believing the propaganda that the Bush White House and the Pentagon fed them. Simply, they were victims of an excellent and pernicious propaganda campaign foisted upon them by a knot of political ideologues who gathered together in the White House: the Neocons. It was the Neocons and the PNAC group who had, not the interest of the American people in mind, but rather a narrow self-serving political agenda and used the Armed Forces of this nation to complete their cunning plan.
In fact, this political agenda is exactly what the Three Percenters and Oath Keepers rail against in their credos. Amazing! Absolutely amazing, yet it is clear that propaganda techniques, when wrapped around the flag and Patriotism, will move many to, in fact, obey orders that are clearly not in the interest of this nation at all.
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Starbucks Trying to Stay Out of the Controversy
The big example is Starbucks, which has been selected by advocates of the "open carry" movement as a place to show up with unconcealed firearms. Open carriers and gun-control advocates (peacefully) confronted one another recently at the Starbucks in Pike Place Market.
Starbucks says it will follow the law; thus, in states where it's legal to openly carry a firearm, those customers are welcome. "The political, policy and legal debates around these issues belong in the legislatures and courts, not in our stores," the Seattle-based coffee company said in a statement.
That might be an artful way to avoid controversy. Unfortunately, it probably won't work. With Starbucks' size and iconic place in corporate America, it was the perfect way for the Virginia-based group OpenCarry.org to gain international exposure for its cause.
It also received a backlash from gun-control proponents. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has an online petition urging Starbucks to keep guns out.
I found it interesting that several pro-gun writers blamed the Brady campaign for putting Starbucks on the spot. This article says, "The big example is Starbucks, which has been selected by advocates of the "open carry" movement as a place to show up with unconcealed firearms."
I was wondering though if the statement by the famous coffee chain was in fact an attempt to stay out of it. Couldn't it be construed as supportive of the gun movement? Saying they'll follow the local laws is in effect siding with the gun folks, is it not?
Where do you think this is heading? What's next?
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Maryland's Missing Guns
I just read in another article the reason the one-gun-a-month law in Virginia makes no sense is because the black market street price for guns is lower than the retail price. I suppose this is an attempt to say there are no straw purchasers at all since they wouldn't be able to sell the expensive guns.More than 20 guns seized by a state-run firearms task force in Prince George's County are unaccounted for, and investigators believe that one of the weapons was used in the shooting of an off-duty police officer late last year, according to law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation.
All the missing guns apparently had been seized by the Prince George's narcotics detective who was assigned to the task force, the sources said. The detective, Juan Carter, was suspended late last year during the investigation but has not been charged with any crimes, sources said.
The obvious fact is, stolen guns like these from Maryland can sell for much less than retail price, while guns bought one at a time through straw purchasers would fetch a higher than retail price. There's a market for both.
What's your opinion? Which do you think accounts for more, stolen guns or straw-bought ones?
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