Saturday, October 2, 2010

Judge Napolitano on Stephen Colbert

Jon Stewart on the NRA

Some of our wishful-thinking pro-gun friends were recently expressing some theories about Jon Stewart's true feelings towards the NRA.  I know this clip is old, but do you think he's changed the way Rudy Giuliani had?

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Henigan the Myth Breaker

Dennis Henigan writes a compelling argument addressing some of the latest myths.

The "gun show loophole" is mentioned as well as the problem of straw purchasing, but it's his treatment of the "assault weapon" argument that I most enjoyed.

Every major U.S. law enforcement organization supports strong restrictions on assault weapons. Does the gun lobby really believe the police oppose these guns because they merely "look scary"?
And the funniest part is how pro-gun writers, who endlessly repeat this "look scary" motif, will accuse the gun control folks of being sheep.

Isn't it often the case that the accuser is guilty of the very thing he claims for the others?  That's what we've got here.  We've got hundreds of bloggers and pro-gun writers who continually repeat a handful of slogans and themes, many of which make no sense, like the reason we oppose military ordnance for civilian use is because it's scary looking.

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

Michael Moore's Five Suggestions

The Huffington Post ran an entertaining, witty and insightful article by Michael Moore. 

1. Immediate Wall-to-Wall TV Ads, Internet Videos, and Appearances Hammering Who the Hell Put Us in the Misery We're In.

2. Indict the Criminals.

3. Announce a Moratorium on All Family Home Foreclosures.

4. Announce a New 21st Century WPA.

5. Declare That No Democrat Will Accept ANY Wall Street Money in the Next Election Cycle.

What's your opinion? I say when Michael's done advising the president on the major political issues we let him set the gun control standard.

Please leave a comment.

Eunuchs_Jedi, Revenge of the Gunloon

Ever notice how gunloons have such macho pseudonyms? Exhibit one, I give you unix_jedi. With that kind of handle, I'd expect the guy to be at least a Computer Science prof at MIT or, perhaps, CTO at Oracle or Sun Microsystems. Certainly, this person would be someone on Linus Torvald's speed dial.
Of course, such high expectations fall far short. And by "far short," I'm being very, very kind.
After all, if you create a psedonym like NFL_HOFer--you really should, at the very least, have: a.) played in the NFL and b.) be on someone's Hall of Fame shortlist.
For a good many gunloons, however, pseudonyms are like Enzyte. IOW, if they clap hard enough--Tinkerbell will live!
Let's looks at just a few gunloon examples:
DoubleTapper Israel
New Jovian Thunderbolt
45 Caliber Justice
The list goes on and, drearily on.

Friday, October 1, 2010

Ohio Gun Laws

It seems Ohio used to allow individual cities to regulate guns, but no more. The reason makes perfect sense.

Columbus banned assault weapons, licensed gun dealers and prohibited people from carrying concealed weapons in city parks until a state law took effect in March 2007, wiping out all local gun rules. Supporters said the state should have sole power over such issues to eliminate a patchwork of local ordinances.
Isn't this exactly the reason we need federal laws that would put everyone on the same page and eliminate the "patchwork" of differing state laws we now have?

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

West Virginia Exports

When you go by sheer volume, nobody can touch Florida, Georgia and Virginia.  But when you consider the population and look at the comparative rate, West Virginia is up there right next to Mississippi.
The 10 states with the highest crime gun export rates in 2009 were Mississippi, West Virginia, Kentucky, Alaska, Alabama, South Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, Nevada, and Georgia.
What's your opinion? Isn't this damning evidence that lax gun laws are bad for the country?  Isn't this proof that gun control works?

Please leave a comemnt.

Involuntary Manslaughter - One Baby Dead

The news report says they have no reason to think it was intentional.

Involuntary manslaughter carries a term of up to five years in prison.
I suppose he'd lose his right to bear arms too. How about for those lucky enough to not kill anyone when their gun accidentally goes off, we skip the prison time and just remove the gun rights.

I'll bet that would cut down on the repeat offenders.  And in the meantime the non-offenders would be a lot more careful.

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

Stolen Guns Kill People

The Washington Post reports on this sad story.  Because a cop left his gun in the glove compartment of his car which was parked in front of his home, it was easy for a thief to get it. Three weeks later tragedy struck.

That's one of the ways so-called law-abiding gun owners contribute to the gun flow.  Who's responsible?  You tell me.

Please leave a comment.

R.I.P. Tony

From Wikipedia.

When the Police Revolt

I think I'm finally beginning to understand.  If the private citizens aren't armed to the teeth, that would leave only the police and the military.  They would be the ONLY ONES. Is that it?

U of Texas Shooter, NRA Chapter

How many gunloons does this sound like?

“I have also been to a few gun shows and learned what the people behind the counters, selling AR-15’s, Kalashnikovs, Berettas, etc. have to say on the issue, both by talking to them and by reading their T-shirts,” he wrote. He said in addition to news articles, he could use material distributed by the NRA at the next gun show he attended.

Sweet Jeebus. Doesn't this sound just like our usual gang of gunloons?

Thursday, September 30, 2010

Pizza Hut Man Kills Two

How many CCW permit holders have this kind of restraint?

Virginia Exports Crime Guns

The Cavalier Daily ran a wonderful article about the problem of Virginia's lax gun laws leading to the exportation of guns used in crime in other states.

Josh Horwitz, executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, said Virginia’s gun restrictions need revision.

“The biggest gap is the gun-show loophole,” Horwitz said. “This allows people to go to gun shows and purchase firearms without required background checks or forms.”
I agree that's a problem which needs to be fixed, but I'm not convinced it's the worst of it. Besides the purchasing of guns without a background check by people who would otherwise be denied, there are other sources to the gun flow. 

Some say theft is the biggest. I don't believe that, although I certainly favor holding gun owners responsible for making theft too easy.

The other way is through straw purchases.  I think this is the biggest source, and more than the lax gun laws in Virginia it's the general attitude towards gun ownership that helps this one work.  Zorro, for example believes that all gun laws are immoral.  I would imagine he's not alone in that wild belief and it doesn't take much imagination to see what a gun shop owner who feels that way would do in his daily work. He'd turn a blind eye on any and all purchasers regardless of how suspicious.

So, here's what we do.  Require background checks on all gun transfers. Establish gun storage requirements for the home which will be strictly enforced.  And last but not least, require licensing of all gun owners and registration of every gun, to be followed by home inspections for compliance. Gun purchasers who cannot produce the gun they're supposed to own go immediately go jail for a year, let's say. 

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

Gov. Perry Favors Guns on Campus

The argument over allowing guns on campuses has heated up with the recent incident on the University of Texas. It's no surprise how the governor feels. In fact I must admit the pro-gun crowd who keep pushing the idea that mass shootings usually take place in gun-free zones have a compelling argument.

The problem with their solution is this. to get a concealed carry license is "just eight hours in a classroom and a couple of shots at a target that's not moving in a range – a very, very controlled situation."
The pro-gun argument of arming ordinary citizens or students in this case, as a first-response to criminal gun violence fails to consider that most of the ordinary gun owners would not be capable of helping. In order to do that one would need serious training and a certain type of personality, a combination of which your average armed citizen just does not have.

The down side, as continually pointed out by the police and University officials, as well as gun control advocates, is increased confusion, accidents and all the other problems that go with the proliferation of gun ownership.

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

Arizona Going Right Down the Drain

Omaha, NE Hospital Shooting

Another day, another shooting:
OMAHA (KPTM)- Two police officers are injured and a third person killed after a shootout Wednesday morning at the Creighton University Medical Center.
Police say they spent all night looking for Layten after an altercation he had with his wife at their home in Tekamah.

Burt County Sheriff Roberty Pickell says deputies were called to their house on a domestic violence call. He says the woman had been beaten and that Layten left his home with two rifles and hand gun. He reportedly threatened to go to La Vista and kill his wife's mom and sister in law.

Pickell says the woman was scared for her life, and waited a half-hour to call police after her husband left. She refused any medical treatment, although deputies advised her to go to the hospital.

Police say after assaulting his wife, Layten led La Vista police on a chase before he crashed his truck into a pole here, near 72nd and Q. Omaha Police assisted in the search for Layten who got out of his vehicle and ran.

Pickell thinks he ran to Creighton because he believed his wife was there to seek medical treatment from her injuries last night.

Obviously, he's part of a gang.

NRA Martyr Update

Remember our NRA Patron Saint of Gunloonery and lots o' drugs?
Well, the coroner's inquest is back and it's all a big conspiracy, I'm sure:
A coroner's inquest jury on Tuesday, following six days of testimony, ruled the shooting justifiable. Officers fired after the 38-year-old salesman pulled out a handgun and pointed it at them.

Moral of the story: another CCW holder, higher than Lindsay Lohan on a Saturday Night, finds out the 2A isn't absolute.

Prohibition: The Gunloon's Favorite Flawed Analogy

Gunloons often like to use the example of prohibition when raising the canard of total gun bans. Here's a fairly typical gunloon use of the analogy:
Also, gun control will not work because we already had something like it a few times and each time it has failed. Remember the Prohibition? From 1919 till 1933 owning, producing, and selling alcohol was illegal. Some people believed that alcohol was a bad thing and that it caused people to do terrible things. To these people it seemed like a good idea at the time to make alcohol illegal.
However, outlaws and gang members decided to keep making alcohol anyway. It was obvious that the Prohibition had failed. The latest ban that is having problems is the illegal drug bans.

The above argument is flawed in several respects; primarily, owning and consuming alcohol was not illegal. Prohibition outlawed the manufacture and sale of alcohol--but you could drink it without penalty. In fact, the Volstead Act allowed individuals to legally make 200 gallons per year of wine or hard cider. The author also neflects to note prohibition had taken place in many states by the time of national prohibition---in fact, by 1916, half the states in the US had prohibition.
Of course, the prohibition laws were extremely flawed. In addition to the fact that alcohol could be legally consumed and certain types of spirits could be legally made for personal use--the use of whiskey as a medicinal was legal for doctors to prescribe. Some clever bars--known as "blind pigs"--would circumvent laws by offering patrons a novelty act for which they'd pay a fee and receive a complimentary cocktail. Further, despite what you see in the movies, prohibition was not widely enforced.
Of course, we're all familiar with the negative externalities--crime gangs who engaged in bootlegging flourished.
But did Prohibition fail?
The answer is no.
Despite flawed laws, little enforcement, and a huge blackmarket--Prohibition actually achieved its primary purpose: to reduce alcohol consumption. In fact, US alcohol consumption remained below pre-Prohibition levels for nearly 50 years after Prohibition's repeal.
Regarding guns--let's remember it's pretty difficult to make guns at home. As to bootlegging of guns, they'd probably have to come from Eastern Europe and we have improved our surveillance and enforcement capabilities since the 1920s.
As with all gunloon arguments--this one fails badly.

Teabaggers: The NRA's Favorite Party

A simply great article on the Tea Party.

Wednesday, September 29, 2010

2 Dead in Florida - Longtime Friends

The police aren't releasing enough details yet, but some think it was a murder suicide.

Lt. Tod Goodyear of the sheriff’s office said his department was piecing together the information in the case.
“One of them was renting a place from the other, that is my understanding. There was some bad blood between the two,” he said.

Bad blood, or whatever, in Florida these things are straightened out with a gun.

What's your opinion?  Does Florida's being a gun friendly state have something to do with this?

Please leave a comment.

Mattapan Shooting - 4 Dead

University of Texas Shooting

I read about this last night on The Truth About Guns.  Brad Kozak was extremely prescient when he said, "I’m waiting to hear the words “assault rifle” in the next round of reports over this idiot."  Here's what Yahoo News has this morning.
A student wearing a dark suit and a ski mask opened fire Tuesday with an assault rifle on the University of Texas campus before fleeing into a library and fatally shooting himself. No one else was hurt.
I certainly don't want to take anything away from Brad, but now that I think about it, anyone could have predicted that. In fact, the gun turned out to be an AK-47, which I think is understood to be an "assault rifle," even if it's the semi-auto version often found in the States. So, I'm not sure what his point was.

The TTAG analysis goes on to basically repeat the same old pro-gun responses to these incidents. First there's the old "violence IS inevitable," which means the gun is just a tool and eliminating it won't solve the problem. I never understood how rational people can believe that. Compared to guns, knives and bats are less likely to be lethal and much less likely to harm multiple victims.

Then there's the statistics game. I'm sure if pressed the author of this statement can back it up, and then someone on the gun control side could produce an opposing piece of "proof." I call that the statistics game.

Statistics prove that states where citizens can legally carry have lower crime rates than states where it is difficult or impossible to get a gun.
Finally there's the solution:

...every citizen over the age of 21 who is not a convicted felon or judged to be mentally ill must take a gun safety class where they learn how to shoot and safely handle a gun.
At first I thought it was the old arm-everybody-for-protection thing, but Brad was making another point altogether.

At least that way, when some idiot starts ranting about how we should make the entire country a gun-free zone, they will have had the benefit of having shot a gun in practice, and not leave their knowledge of guns to stem from reruns of Starsky and Hutch. Just sayin.’
He wasn't saying what I thought at all. He's just taking a swipe at the gun control folks whom he thinks know nothing at all about guns. If they'd only avail themselves of the experience of shooting a real live gun, they'd change their minds.

I really don't know what to say to that, except I don't think so.

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

The 42 Commandments of Ancient Egypt

Nothing about guns in there, or is there?  Number 16 I dedicate to Zorro. And perhaps numbers 17 and 18 could be the commenting policy.

XVI. Thou shalt not use fiery words nor stir up any strife.

Tuesday, September 28, 2010

Virginia Woman Executed

For me the story is a sad one. This woman, Teresa Lewis, was put to death for conspiring with two men who actually did the deed.  They were sentenced to life in prison.  This Examiner brings up an interesting agrument.

Within Christianity, there are those who fully support the right of the state to execute criminals and those who find it morally reprehensible.  Among Protestant denominations there are those who are very vocal on both sides of the issue.  The Roman Catholic church has remained consistently against the death penalty.
Which side are you on? I realize everyone is an individual, but don't conservative, gun owner and proponent of capital punishment usually go together?

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

Democrat in Name Only (DINO)

What makes this guy a Democrat?

Strickland is a rare democrat who has received the support of the National Rifle Association, a fact Strickland didn’t shy away from as he visited the trap shooting range. A large trailer noting the NRA endorsement sat in front of the Sportsmen’s Club complex, while members of Strickland’s support staff wore button’s citing the same.

“My record shows I am a strong supporter of the second amendment,” Strickland said. “I voted against the assault weapon ban and have always supported the rights of people to have firearms as well as supporting hunting, fishing, and trapping.”

Although Strickland did not shoot a rifle on this day, he said he had been a hunter as a child and helped start a statewide youth turkey hunting trip during his time as governor.

“Conservatives ought to vote for me,” Strickland said, citing his efforts to cut taxes, reduce government and his support of the Second Amendment.
Do you think not supporting the 2nd Amendment is a deal breaker for candidates in places like Ohio? Should it be?

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

From Sea to Shining Sea




St. Paul


That's just a sampling of what's in the news today. You know what they have in common?  Yeah, you know.

Please leave a comment.

Trace the Guns

Even you can play.

The Right of Gun Possession

Laci explains it quite clearly. What I've often noticed is illustrated by that quote from Dave Kopel. Gun people base their argument on the presumption that guns are necessary for self-defense. Then they conflate that idea with the very popular misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment. Sometimes they bring God into it, and they become a tough crowd to argue with.

What's your opinion?  Does Laci's quote from the United Nations make sense?
The principle of self-defence has an important place in international human rights law, but does not provide an independent, supervening right to small arms possession, nor does it ameliorate the duty of States to use due diligence in regulating civilian possession.

To me it does. Please leave a comment.

The Daily Murder Suicide

The beat goes, sadly, on:
JUNCTION CITY, Ore. - A man upset about his pending divorce shot and killed his daughters as they slept before taking his own life sometime Sunday night, the sheriff's office said.

Less Guns, Less Crime

Birmingham, Alabama:

There's another piece of the puzzle that fits, too. Give Birmingham's Gun Court credit for helping lower the numbers of gun crimes and gun seizures. As News staff writer Carol Robinson reported in the Sunday edition, police report 14 percent fewer gun seizures in 2009 and a 10.5 percent reduction so far this year, and they're pointing to Gun Court as a reason.

Let's hope the program continues to be as successful as it appears after its first 19 months in operation.

So far, police have destroyed 130 weapons since gun court started in February 2009. Of the 240 people who have started or completed Gun Court, only two people in the program have been accused of another crime.

Monday, September 27, 2010

Paul Helmke on Jon Stewart

Paul Helmke took Jon Stewart to task. The gun comments begin about 9:30.

I agree with Paul's take on it, how about you?

Indiana 5-year-old Shot in the Head

Am I wrong to blame the state of Indiana and the gun owners there who are responsible for such nonchalance when it comes to guns and accidental shootings?
Detective Hollis said, with the information they have so far, the shooting appears to be an accident. No charges have been filed.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.

War Hero Veteran Police Officer Goes Berserk

The Boston Globe reports.

A Massachusetts State Police trooper and Army war hero was arrested after a chaotic scene unfolded early yesterday morning when he allegedly drove drunk and crashed his car on his Dorchester street, pointed a gun at an off-duty Boston police officer, and then ran into his house and fired his gun into a ceiling. He came outside and was wrestled to the ground by responding officers.
Maybe going "berserk" is a bit strong. Maybe the whole thing can be pleaded down to some misdemeanors and a good slap on the wrist will suffice.  What do you think?

Please leave a comment.

Modesto Off-duty Cop Shooting

Far be it from me to read too much into a story, but it sure sounds like one of those excessive-force-by-unfit-cop stories to me.  What do you think?

Please leave a comment.

Those Bad States with Lax Gun Laws

Yahoo News reports on the latest information about those bad states with lax gun laws. Thanks for the link Il Principe.
Nearly half of the guns that crossed state lines and were used in crimes in 2009 were sold in just 10 states, according to a report being released Monday by a mayors' group.
Before even reading the list I knew they'd be the same states we'd talked about before.

What's your opinion? Here's the article's closing sentence.

For example, in states that do not require background checks for handgun sales at gun shows, the crime-gun export rate was two-and-a-half times as much as the rate in states that do require such checks.

Please leave a comment.

The New NRA Martyr?

Gunloons love a martyr. David Koresh, Randy Weaver, Timothy McVeigh.
Nothing fires 'em up more than a perceived injustice against a fellow gun-toting male.
Except, of course, if the gun-toter is, you know, not white.
Past NRA martyrs have, to put it mildly, had some baggage.
So, gunloons are pretty amped about the Erik Scott case:
Authorities said a Costco employee called 911 to report a man acting erratically in the store, damaging merchandise and carrying a pistol in his waistband. An officer approached the man, identified as Scott, then noticed the pistol and gave him verbal commands to lay on the ground, police said.
After Scott pointed the pistol at an officer, the officers fired at him, striking him multiple times, police said. He died at University Medical Center a short time later.

Scott was a West Point grad, an Army vet, and a CCW holder. And he was white.
I'd suggest reading the Las Vegas Sun archives on this case to get all the details but here's the Cliff Notes' version. On 10 July, Las Vegas Costco employees noticed a man acting strangely and damaging store merchandise. They also noticed he was carrying a handgun. As we all know, Nevada has some very lax gun laws but stores and businesses have the right to prohibit carrying firearms on their premises. A COSTCO manager approached the man, Erik Scott, and asked that he leave the store. Scott refused and began acting belligerantly toward the manager and threatened him. 911 was called and when police arrived, Scott refused to obey their commands. When Scott pulled his weapon and pointed it at an officer, he was shot several times and killed.
Naturally, the gunloons are promoting this as a case where tyrannical police overreacted to a (white) man exercising his God-given Second Amendment rights.
Of course, the gunloons omit a few details when painting the picture of this latest NRA martyr. One fact they don't like to talk about is that Scott had a bit of a drug problem. Another is that Scott had pulled a gun on a neighbor. And that two previous wives alleged domestic abuse.

Update: Edit to correctly identify NRA hero.

Sunday, September 26, 2010

Gunloon FAIL

Over at Common Gunsense, japete asked 20 questions.

1.Do you believe that criminals and domestic abusers should be able to buy guns without background checks?
2.What is your proposal for keeping guns away from criminals, domestic abusers, terrorists and dangerously mentally ill people?
3.Do you believe that a background check infringes on your constitutional right to "keep and bear arms"?
4.Do you believe that I and people with whom I work intend to ban your guns?
5.If yes to #4, how do you think that could happen ( I mean the physical action)?
6.What do you think are the "second amendment remedies" that the tea party GOP candidate for Senate in Nevada( Sharron Angle) has proposed?
7.Do you believe in the notion that if you don't like what someone is doing or saying, second amendment remedies should be applied?
8.Do you believe it is O.K. to call people with whom you disagree liars and demeaning names?
9.If yes to #8, would you do it in a public place to the person's face?
10.Do you believe that any gun law will take away your constitutional rights?
11. Do you believe in current gun laws? Do you think they are being enforced? If not, explain.
12.Do you believe that all law-abiding citizens are careful with their guns and would never shoot anybody?
13.Do you believe that people who commit suicide with a gun should be included in the gun statistics?
14.Do you believe that accidental gun deaths should "count" in the total numbers?
15.Do you believe that sometimes guns, in careless use or an accident, can shoot a bullet without the owner or holder of the gun pulling the trigger?
16.Do you believe that 30,000 gun deaths a year is too many?
17.How will you help to prevent more shootings in this country?
18.Do you believe the articles that I have posted about actual shootings or do you think I am making them up or that human interest stories about events that have happened should not count when I blog about gun injuries and deaths?
19.There has been some discussion of the role of the ATF here. Do you believe the ATF wants your guns and wants to harass you personally? If so, provide examples ( some have written a few that need to be further examined).
20.Will you continue a reasonable discussion towards an end that might lead somewhere or is this an exercise in futility

She received a lot of comments. Unsurprisingly, the gunloons were unable to answer many of these questions without rephrasing them or accsing her of bad faith. She has a very thoughtful response here.

Who Trains the Trainers?

In many states, the first step to getting a CCW permit is to take some kind of "gun safety" course. This course is mandated by state law and the state usually provides a list of approved course instructors.
In many cases, all it takes to become a state-approved gun safety course provider is to be an NRA certified instructor. As I've sagely noted before, becoming an NRA certified anything is a function of paying the fee and a few hours of your time.
Nobody fails any NRA training.

As the Washington Post's Courtland Milloy discovered, many of these gun safety courses are taught by blowhards who more interested in signing you up for the NRA and bloviating about evil liberals than teaching anything about gun safety. In fact, Milloy's instructor, Jim Reynolds, seems to have difficulty accepting a black man as President.

That aside, there exist no standards as to the conduct of these trainers.

Springtime For Hitler and..Gunloonery

As I sagely noted previously, gunshows tend to attract those fascinated with guns, Cheetos ™ and SPF 9,000,000 sunblock, and all things Nazi.
Of course, this brought out the usual suspects in full goose-stepping glory. We had a claim that Japanese WWII stuff was equally present. But as I noted (very sagely) earlier, even gunloon forums are concerned with the image that all this Nazi material at gunshows conveys to the normal public. Having been to quite a few gunshows myself, I've never seen authentic WWII Japanese militaria on display or being sold. I have seen a few replica Japanese katana swords for sale but this can't even be considered WWII memorabilia.
Commenter Stephen claims all true collectors of militaria are into guns. Well, they're also into things like aircraft, ships, artillery pieces as well. And true militaria collectors are much more interested in the history--the tactics, strategies, blunders, missed opportunities and personalities. That's why true militaria shows or events are much more likely to be symposiums where military artifacts are sold and authors (usually historians or the occassional historical figure) lecture.
Stephen's explanation falls very short when one considers most of the Nazi memorabilia sold at gunshows aren't authentic--they're replicas. Further, we also know many gunshows attract those pushing white supremacist nonsense. Coincidence? I think not.

Gun Shows and Obsession With Nazi Germany

Whenever you go to a gunshow, you're certain to find two things: guns and Nazi memorabilia.
Well, three things if you include fat white guys.

Now, gunloons will usually try to explain this in several ways. One way is to deny ever seeing Nazi memorabilia at a gun show. But even gunloon forums acknowledge Nazi memorabilia is omnipresent at gunshows.
Another gunloon explanation is to say gunshows sell beef jerky as well. But this doesn't really work; after all, jerky is a staple of hunting. Some gunloons will try to call the stuff 'militaria' as if changing the name will render the practice more palatable. Problem is, true collectors of 'militaria' aren't going to go to a gun show for their hobby. Similarly, numismatics don't go to computer shows for their coin collecting needs.

I have a theory. Gunloons are attracted to the Nazi-era for many of the same reasons a lot of German males in the 1930's were.