Gun deaths are shaped by race in America. Whites are far more likely to shoot themselves, and African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else.
The statistical difference is dramatic, according to a Washington Post analysis of data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A white person is five times as likely to commit suicide with a gun as to be shot with a gun; for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns.
Where a person lives matters, too. Gun deaths in urban areas are much more likely to be homicides, while suicide is far and away the dominant form of gun death in rural areas. States with the most guns per capita, such as Montana and Wyoming, have the highest suicide rates; states with low gun ownership rates, such as Massachusetts and New York, have far fewer suicides per capita.Now that makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Where there are more guns there are more suicides. Please note they did not say "more gun suicides," they mentioned the suicide rate.
The gun-rights fanatics love to sarcastically say our point is that guns CAUSE people to commit suicide. Of course that's not true. We understand as well as they do that inanimate objects don't have such power. But what we understand that they refuse to admit is that suicide attempts with guns are more likely to be successful, therefore where guns are available more suicides take place.
It's really pretty simple. What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Why are you against letting people kill themselves if and how they want...
ReplyDeleteInteresting how choice only applies to things that leftists approve. If you want an abortion or to change your sex or to use substances, that's fine. If you want to own a gun or kill yourself, not so much.
ReplyDeleteBut we do see an important point in this report. There is a cultural problem in big cities. That's much harder to address than striking out at guns.
Reproduction rights for women are important. Men wouldn't stand for those restrictions. Suicide on the other hand is a manifestation of mental illness, in most cases. Those people should be protected from themselves by being denied guns.
DeleteWhenever the government sweeps in to protect people from themselves, violations inevitably happen.
DeleteAll the figures are "gun deaths". The only mention to total rates is with the last line. But as you may recall, this matches what I told you from the data I composed. I said there is a correlation with suicide rates, but NOT with murder rates. If you claim the suicide rate is caused by guns, why is it not there for murder rates?
ReplyDeleteIt was there for murder rates. Remember my numbers?
DeleteNot when you look at all 50 states! I showed you how perilous your numbers are. If Louisiana gets one more measly Brady point your tiny difference that you called "proof" gets flipped on its head. How on earth is that a proper statistical analysis? Count all the states, Mike. Gun control is supposed to work everywhere, right?
DeleteRemember, Mike, you are yet to refute my calculations that show no correlation. All you did was take a subset of the data that shows a slight favor to you, and claim "ah ha!". By the laws of math the data you didn't include is on my side. Why don't those states count? Is a murder there not a life worth counting?
DeleteAgain- show me where I failed if you are going to claim there is a correlation after all.
TS, he can't. The data don't support his conclusion.
DeleteWould you say their use of "gun homicides" here instead of murder rates is deceptive?
ReplyDeleteNo, why would it be?
DeleteBecause you said so last week.
DeleteMikeB wrote, "... suicide attempts with guns are more likely to be successful, therefore where guns are available more suicides take place."
ReplyDeleteMikeB several people have told you several times before that Japan's suicide rate is several times higher than the U.S. and they quite literally have no guns in their homes. You KNOW this. And yet you continue to make statements like that above. What is your motive for making blatantly false statements?
Many times I've responded to that, as have others. It has to do with the centuries long tradition in Japan of honorable suicide.
DeleteCenturies of traditions are irrelevant. The FACT is that Japanese people have no trouble at all committing suicide without guns. So you cannot claim that removing guns will reduce suicides.
DeleteThen explain why the suicide rates of Ireland and Canada are the same as ours, despite their much stricter gun control.
DeleteAnd Hungary? Do they have a centuries long tradition of honorable suicide? Lithuania? Russia? France? Or the 2/3rds of western European nations that have a higher suicide rate than the USA? Tradition?
DeleteOh, now you don't want to talk about Japan any more?
DeleteAbout them, I don't know what their problems are. Like all violence, suicide rates are the result of many factors. Gun availability is one of them. Add more guns and the suicide rate goes up. Our own country proves that.
Mikeb, do you even bother to read my points? Ireland has a suicide rate like ours, despite strict gun control. That list goes on. The rates of ownership in those countries are much lower than ours.
DeleteThe inescapable conclusion is that guns aren't the problem.
the main thing that your chart shows is per million people that if we just take the guns away from black people we could cut gun deaths (murder and suicide) by 66%, so why don't you leftist get to it march your pasty asses into the inner city and door to door go get those gun out of the hands of the evil black man, that's what you need to do.....
ReplyDeleteIf you had any balls......
I mean there are so many of you against gun and the gun owners are dwindling to nothing every day, it should be easy, right?