Kamhen "Omar" Saleh
Guns dot com
Two years ago, a 20 year old California man withdrew $44,000 from the bank for the family business. He placed the money in a backpack in his vehicle. He also had a 9mm pistol in the vehicle. Two men attempted to steal the money; he saw one in his SUV and confronted him; ultimately shooting both men. In the confrontation they had occupied another vehicle, taking the backpack and money with them.
Saleh fired 8 shots from his 9mm pistol. The men were in the other vehicle by the time he started shooting. He says he feared that they were going to run him over. His bullets hit the side and rear of the vehicle.
While the defense attorney criticized the prosecutor for pursuing this case, I can see the prosecutor’s side. The robbers were in a vehicle, so their knives were not a threat. Saleh shot into the side and rear of their vehicle. The prosecutor questioned Saley’s judgement on a couple of points.
While the defense attorney criticized the prosecutor for pursuing this case, I can see the prosecutor’s side. The robbers were in a vehicle, so their knives were not a threat. Saleh shot into the side and rear of their vehicle. The prosecutor questioned Saley’s judgement on a couple of points.
Excellent two theiving a-holes taking a dirt nap not stealing from anyone else, shame it took so long to get him clear of all charges.
ReplyDeleteThey were fleeing with this man's money, right? That's not exactly the same as simply fleeing.
ReplyDeleteDon't tell me even you support murdering fleeing robbers?
DeleteThe mind set has changed from apprehending to killing. An attitude promoted by gun loons and their groups like the NRA.
DeleteHi Mike, your link doesn't seem to work for your post. Apparently two years ago he was charged with second degree murder and the judge reduced the charges to voluntary manslaughter on his own because the evidence didn't support the charges.
ReplyDelete"At only 22-years-old he says he shot and killed two robbers in self-defense. Police say those two robbers -- Omar Calderon and Adam Verdusco were stealing $44,000 from Saleh's car, money from his family's business. A jury found him innocent of all but one charge -- a misdemeanor for carrying a loaded weapon."
http://abc30.com/news/man-in-double-fatal-shooting-outside-an-officemax-in-porterville-found-not-guilty/948514/
Yeah, he SAID it was self defense, but c'mon, you know it's mandatory for DGU shooters to say that. It's like pleading not guilty in a trial. Who's gonna admit that they fired unnecessarily or wrongly? Nobody. He fired into the side of the vehicle, yet claimed the thought they were going to run him down.
DeleteThe main way you guys get those outlandish DGU esitmates is the ridiculous idea the 95% of defensive incidents don't require actually shooting the gun. Another is counting shooting at coyotes and snakes. But the one I like the most is murder disguised, like this one.
What it adds up to is that TS's favorite argument that guns do lots of good and that that good needs to be weighed in any assessment of gun use, is bullshit. The good that guns do is very small in the overall picture, unless you count the 95% and the snakes and the murders.
"Yeah, he SAID it was self defense, but c'mon, you know it's mandatory for DGU shooters to say that."
DeleteAnd in this case he was acquitted by a jury of his peers. The prosecution started out big by charging with second degree murder, that got reduced based on evidence. And then he was acquitted of all of the charges except unlawful carry.
The good shouldn't weigh in at all? Heck, anything can be considered pure evil if you refuse to look at the good it does. This is how people end up railing against vaccines.
DeleteHow else are you going to explain how murder rates don't correlate with gun ownership?
TS, What I said is this: "The good that guns do is very small in the overall picture"
DeleteThen you asked, "The good shouldn't weigh in at all?"
Are you on drugs, man? How do you get from what I actually siad to what you asked?
A jury of one's peers often reaches an obviously wrong verdict.
DeleteYou said weighing the good factor is "bullshit" because you said it is so small that you don't need to consider it. Looking at violent crime rates and murder rates as a whole considers the good side. Instead of doing that you rationalize that because most murders are committed with guns, and because “guns do more harm than good” (your assumption), therefore if we restrict guns more, murder will go down (yet another false assumption that gun control laws work). You do all this rationalizing, make false assumptions, don’t even allowing yourself to consider the good side (because you already wrote it off), instead of just looking at murder and violent crime rates.
DeleteI'm sure this man regretted his rash decision. Not even figuring in the cost of a human life, It must have cost him and his family much more than $44k to keep his liberty. Still, I am sympathetic. In the moment, he just saw his operating capital for the week or month, equivalent to however many week's receipts, maybe as much as a month or two worth of profits for his business disappearing in the vehicle of a criminal. Whatever it was. $44k is significant. I feel for him for what happened. I find it hard to condemn him for firing. That's one of the legitimate purposes for carrying a weapon. Protecting large sums of money or valuables.
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